The Assembly met at 10:30 am (Speaker [Mr Maskey] in the Chair).
Members observed two minutes' silence.

Executive Committee Business

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 16) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021

Alex Maskey: The next items of business are motions to approve three statutory rules (SRs), all of which relate to health protection regulations. There will be a single debate on all three motions. I will call the Minister to move the first motion. The Minister will then commence the debate on the motions, as listed in the Order Paper. When all who wish to speak have done so, I will put the Question on the first motion. The second motion will then be read into the record, and I will call the Minister to move that motion, and the Question will be put on it. That process will be repeated for the remaining statutory rule. If that is clear, we will proceed.

Robin Swann: I beg to move
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 16) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved.
The following motions stood in the Order Paper:
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 17) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved. — [Mr Swann (The Minister of Health).]
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved. — [Mr Swann (The Minister of Health).]

Alex Maskey: The Business Committee has agreed that there should be no time limit on the debate.

Robin Swann: Today, the House is considering three very specific statutory rules that were introduced following decisions taken by the Executive on 27 September 2021 and 7 October 2021. SR 2021/276, the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 16) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021, was made on 30 September 2021.
SR 2021/283, the Health Protection Regulations (Amendment No. 17), was made on 11 October, and the third amendment, SR 2021/274, the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations, was made on 30 September.
I begin by reminding Members that it is the Executive Office that holds the lead responsibility, and it operationally manages the processes leading to Executive decisions on the ongoing need for restrictions and the requirement to amend the regulations. I am disappointed that, once again, it has been left to me to introduce these amendments.
The past 19 months have been unprecedented, and the Executive have sought to balance individual and societal liberty with public health requirements in the face of a protracted global pandemic. The Executive weigh up the totality of the effect that each restriction can have in combination with other restrictions in reducing the rate of COVID-19 in Northern Ireland. However, any relaxation to the restrictions will be associated with an increased risk of virus transmission, as has been the case through the epidemic.
I return to the amendments in question today, starting with amendment No. 16 to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations, which was made on 30 September. This amendment was made following the Executive's agreement at their meeting of 27 September to remove the legal requirements to socially distance in retail and indoor visitor attractions. Venues are asked to follow public health guidance to continue to utilise all other available mitigations, such as hand sanitising, good ventilation and using one-way systems where possible. The wearing of face coverings remains a legal requirement in these settings. The Executive also decided to remove the requirement to socially distance in indoor seated venues, such as theatres, concert halls and cinemas, during a performance, rehearsal or recording, and they advised that additional alternative mitigation measures should be utilised.
Amendment No. 17 to the Health Protection Regulations, which was made on 11 October, immediately extended the operation of the principal regulations to 24 March 2022. Further changes contained in this amendment came into operation on 14 October. It removed the limit on the number of people who can attend an indoor gathering in a private dwelling, limiting, effectively, indoor gatherings at private dwellings to 30 people from any number of households. It removed the maximum number who can stay overnight at tourist accommodation, and it removed the requirement to be seated at an event in a concert hall, theatre, conference hall or other indoor venue being used for that purpose. Lastly, in response to feedback from the industry, it amended the requirement for visitor and attendee information in the context of large ticketed events. The previous wording was drafted with hospitality in mind, as large venues were not open. The amendment enabled operators of ticketed events with fixed start times to collect the details of a lead booker rather than every ticket holder. That removes the need to record time of arrival and removes the requirement for premises owners to collect this information. This was duplicating the requirement placed on the organisers.
Amendment No. 6 to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) Regulations commenced at 6.00 pm on 30 September. This technical amendment to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) Regulations arose as result of amendment No. 4 to the regulations. It clarifies that a person is exempt from the requirement to wear a face covering in a relevant place while actively consuming food and drink, including intoxicating liquor, and that, at all other times, face coverings should be worn in indoor venues such as theatres, concert halls or cinemas. A person may remove their face covering when seated at a table in hospitality venues such as a bar, cafe or restaurant, and no change was made in this regard. However, in larger venues such as concert halls, theatres, cinemas and conference facilities, face coverings must be worn at all times while seated and can be removed only when actively eating. I commend the regulations to the Assembly.

Colm Gildernew: I will make some very brief remarks as Chair, and I will then make some equally brief remarks as Sinn Féin spokesperson for health. We are now over 20 months into this pandemic, and, as restrictions continue to be eased, we all hope that we are heading back to some form of normality in our daily lives. We are still faced, however, with the fact that there remain a stubbornly high number of daily cases of COVID. The figure has remained consistent over the past couple of months and continues to place immense pressure on an already overstretched health service and already overworked health workers.
Unfortunately, we are seeing the total number of deaths continue to rise, and our thoughts and sympathies are very much with those who have lost loved ones over the past number of weeks and, indeed, throughout the entire pandemic. That is why it is so important that we continue to follow the current rules and guidelines. I again encourage anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not yet had it please to go and get it.
I also welcome the roll-out of the booster jab. I hope that the booster jab campaign will again lessen the impact of the virus and save lives.
The Committee was briefed on the regulations at its meetings on 14 and 21 October. As the Minister outlined, the rules are the outcome of Executive agreements over recent weeks and include the easing of a number of restrictions. I have mentioned in the past number of debates on the coronavirus regulations that Committee members continue to voice their frustration at the lack of evidence being provided to the Committee to enable it to consider how the Department advised the Executive and the probable impact that the easing of restrictions will have on transmission of the virus. The Committee was disappointed that it was unable to see the evidence and modelling for the specific restrictions being eased.
During the briefings, members also highlighted the issue of monitoring of rules and guidelines and how the Department is capturing adherence to them. Above all, the Committee wants to see that learning from the past 20 months has been captured, communicated and understood and that that learning is being used by the Department of Health to inform the Executive on future decisions. The Committee agreed to recommend that the health protection regulations be approved by the Assembly.
If I may, I will make a few brief remarks as an MLA. For the record, I state that Sinn Féin's search for evidence is to provide better information and to learn from what we are doing. It is not to question whether evidence did not exist for some of the very draconian restrictions that had to be put in place. I make that very clear.
These are a complex and interlocking set of restrictions, and the easings are often similarly complex and interlocking. It is therefore difficult for us to get an understanding of which measures are potentially driving increased transmission and which measures are most effective at stopping transmission.
Today, we have to recognise the pressures that are on the health service. That is the imperative. As well as saving lives and protecting people's health, we need to consider how much our health service can take, to be honest. We are seeing severe stress across the system, yet stubbornly high levels of COVID-19 remain.
It is crucial that we get better at collecting data that is specific to here. We have differences in our system here. I do not think that we can rely on data being extrapolated from elsewhere. It is imperative that we put in place monitoring systems so that we can properly track and pick apart measures to determine which are working, which are not working so effectively and what we can do better in the future.

Pam Cameron: I welcome the amendment regulations before the House today and commend the Minister and the wider Executive for their endeavours in charting a course back to normality.
Regarding the amendment (No. 16) regulations, Members across the House will know of my love for the arts. I declare an interest as someone who is married to a playwright and as someone who has a role in a production company, as is documented in the Register of Members' Interests.
The arts across its various forms of expression have been so badly impacted on by the pandemic. Many of those in the industry rely on performances, ticket sales and commissions simply to make ends meet. There is no great fortune for many who pursue a career in the arts. Rather, their career is chosen out of a love of performance, art and expression.
We in Northern Ireland have such a rich heritage in the arts, music and various other forms of performance. Ruby Murray from Belfast's Donegall Road, Dungiven's Seamus Heaney and Bangor's Gary Lightbody are only but a few names, but what a legacy we have for world-class literature, music, dramatic performance and all other forms of artistic expression. The artists of 2021, whom we want to see make the same impact as those names, need to be performing to capacity audiences in the various fantastic arenas and venues that we have across the Province.
They need to be able to develop their craft, but also make a living.
Furthermore, for venues such as the SSE Arena, the Theatre at the Mill in my constituency, the MAC, the Lyric Theatre and the Ardhowen Theatre to survive and keep the lights on, they need to be able to fill their auditoriums. This amendment and the decision to remove the social-distancing requirements for persons seated at a performance, recording or rehearsal allows that to happen. Indeed, with amendment No. 16 and the removal of the need to be seated, we are returning to viability and the pre-pandemic experience of the arts. That is most welcome.
The amendment (No. 17) regulations and the removal of the limit on the number of people who can meet indoors in private households will, no doubt, be appreciated by those of us who are planning family get-togethers at Christmas. Yes, of course we need to be sensible and follow the guidance that is provided, with persistent COVID rates being as they are across Northern Ireland, but, for those exceptional moments and circumstances, having that flexibility in the law is most welcome. These are steps towards normality, and that is only a good thing.
The removal of the maximum number of people who can stay overnight in tourist accommodation is a timely boost for the sector. We will all have had representations from businesses that operate across the Province and from providers in that industry. We know that businesses that were operating at maximum occupancy were wiped out overnight. We have seen that industry decimated, just like the arts. For self-catering venues, which, in many cases, are family-owned and essential for family incomes, removing that threshold on numbers will, once more, allow those businesses to derive full economic benefit. It is also essential to the wider economic recovery; the tourism offering is essential to Northern Ireland plc. I note that the regulation also removes the need for visitor and attendee information to be recorded. That, too, is a welcome change.
The amendment (No. 6) regulations on the use of face coverings provide a welcome clarification that a person is exempt from the requirement to wear a face covering in a relevant place while actively consuming food and drink, including intoxicating liquor. One criticism that I have heard when I have been out and about in South Antrim is that there is confusion about the rules. People want to abide by the law, yet some are unsure what the current law is and what is expected. Given how many changes there have been in the past number of months, that confusion is completely understandable. Therefore, it is sensible to provide that clarity on face coverings at this stage.
I will take a moment to commend the Health officials who have been charged with drafting the emergency legislation. I have no doubt that it has been incredibly challenging work in highly unusual circumstances, and I am sure that not many of us have been queuing up to thank them. I take the opportunity to do just that now, and I thank the officials for that very difficult work.
Coming back to the motions, hospitality venues will particularly welcome the amendment (No. 6) regulations. Despite many people's best efforts to inform, there needs to be as much awareness about rules as possible. I pay tribute to Hospitality Ulster for the work that it has done to raise awareness among the public about the rules that pertain to the industry. I am sure that Members across the House will join me in condemning outright the abuse that Colin Neill has received. No one should face threats or abuse for simply obeying the law and following health guidance, whether their role is to lobby for and represent the hospitality sector, like Colin, or to wait on tables in a local pub.
The Executive have now unveiled their winter plan. I welcome the pathway that they have set out for the next number of months. It will be a difficult period for the country and the health service. We are already hearing the scary statistics on waiting times in emergency departments, and it is only November. It is incumbent on us all to do our bit to alleviate the pressures that may come. We all have the power to help by following the regulations and guidance that are in place to keep us safe and for wider public safety.
In summary, I urge everyone to avail themselves of the overwhelmingly safe and successful vaccination, which is still available. If you have reservations, please speak to a healthcare professional. We can now all easily access not just first, second and booster doses of the vaccine from community pharmacies, but lateral flow tests across a range of pharmacies. The news that research shows lateral flow tests to be incredibly accurate is comforting. They are another tool that we can use to protect those around us, along with the common-sense actions of keeping a distance where possible, using a face covering when necessary and remembering guidance on hand hygiene. I hope that everyone plays their small part, if not for themselves, then for others, including our healthcare workforce who continue to work in the most challenging times that we have had.
My thoughts are with those who have lost family and friends to COVID-19. I support the motions.

Justin McNulty: Some 90% of our people are vaccinated. That creates space for cautious optimism, and we have to say, "Well done" to the healthcare teams and volunteers who ensured that it could happen. Nightlife venues have reopened, and that is an indicator of a return to normality.
Only 52·5% of 16- and 17- year-olds are vaccinated, and uptake needs to be higher among young people. They need to do the right thing to keep themselves, their families and their communities safe. We are behind with the roll-out of the booster jab. The Health Minister will probably enlighten us as to why that is.
Every winter, seasonal pressures are felt across the NHS, and this year will be no different. It is important that everyone who has been invited for a vaccine booster takes up that offer and that those who have not yet been vaccinated come forward to receive their vaccination. That collective action will be vital in allowing our NHS to cope with additional seasonal pressures and ensure that, over the winter months, non-COVID patients get the care that they need and have waited for so desperately.
Amendment of regulations and easing of restrictions gives many people cause for excitement. The public are happy that they can return to nightclubs. Young people have been deprived for too long, and I feel for them because that big part of their life has been taken away from them for so long. I could see, in the weekend press reports, the excitement on the faces of young people who were out having fun and socialising in a way that has been denied them for so long. It was heart-warming to observe.
Mrs Cameron referred to the arts sector opening up again. I, too, am a big fan of the arts sector, and I am excited about the Lislea drama festival being able to run in 2022. So many negatives have been associated with lockdown, but the Lislea community prepared a poetry book, 'Room to Rhyme', based on the poetry recitals given on Facebook during lockdown. That lifted people and gave them a sense of hope. People such as Séan Cunningham, Anne Garvey, former commentator on this place Eamonn Mallie, Liam Hannaway and Úna Walsh created a tremendous sense of optimism, and they have turned that into a book and held a great event in Lislea last weekend. The proceeds of the book will be donated to the Rural Health Partnership, which helps people deal with mental health challenges. It is a positive story from lockdown.
I will move on. Rarely a day goes by without another horror story about the state of our health service. This year's winter pressures have arrived earlier than normal and are affecting services across the board. Our healthcare staff are crying out for help; they know that what is to come will potentially be a "winter of discontent". We are still recording over 1,000 new cases of the virus daily, and people are, literally, dying. We hear about the challenges being faced by our emergency departments and the threat of closure of some of them.
Everyone in the House should recognise the need for vaccine certification while we are in this situation. To me, it is a no-brainer. Anything that can encourage more people to get vaccinated, to lessen the demands on our health service and shorten waiting lists is a no-brainer. Why is there opposition to it? The SDLP has been absolutely clear from the start about the pressing need for vaccine certification. Vaccine certificates are a proven alternative that will allow us to prevent another lockdown. Who could be against that? They are about protecting our health service from being overrun. Who could be against that?
The evidence from other jurisdictions is clear. The introduction of vaccine certification encourages vaccine uptake, particularly in younger age groups. Surely that is not too much to ask in the interests of keeping the public, families and staff safe. Our proposals for vaccine certification were blocked in the Executive by the DUP and Sinn Féin, who have, instead, left the matter in the hands of individual businesses. Some businesses are stepping up and taking responsibility. I believe that, to attend this year's Belfast Christmas Market, you will have to have a vaccine certificate. Why is there opposition in the House to vaccine certification in order to keep our healthcare staff, families and communities safe, lessen the waiting lists and reduce the waiting times for people who are waiting for operations and cancer treatments? Why is there opposition to that? What is the problem?
It is important that everyone is absolutely clear: the decision not to employ vaccine certification abdicates —

Alex Maskey: Sorry, Mr McNulty. You make a very valid point as a stand-alone argument, but you are well off the scope of the regulations that are in front of the House. I ask you to return to the motion.

Justin McNulty: Apologies, Cheann Comhairle. I just feel strongly about it. Others will have a different view, but there should be no opposition to anything that reduces the pressures on our health service and keeps people alive.
I support the implementation of the regulations. I look forward to hearing other people's contributions.

Alan Chambers: The Ulster Unionist Party welcomes and supports any guidance or regulation that is put in place to protect the health of the people of Northern Ireland and ease the intolerable burden that is being experienced by our health and social care system. We have every confidence that the evidence and advice that is being offered to the Executive by our experts enables them to make informed decisions.
The pandemic has not gone away. We are simply in a stage of trying to manage it and provide the public with an opportunity to return to some form of normality. However, that comes with a responsibility for the public: they must assist the process and ensure that the return to normality is allowed to proceed. The public can do that by increasing the number of people who have received the vaccination. It is absolutely imperative that people consider that and make the choice to get vaccinated and, when the opportunity comes along, to receive the booster injection.
It is easy to forget the simple messages that we were all given at the start of the pandemic about wearing a face covering, social distancing and hand hygiene. All those things are still relevant because the virus is out there seeking every opportunity to infect every one of us. We have a responsibility to protect not just ourselves but the people around us. The Ulster Unionist Party welcomes and fully supports what is in front of us.

Paula Bradshaw: I support the motions.
As the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 are technical, I do not intend to take much time on them. However, I will say that our entire guidance on face coverings is now bordering on farce, particularly given the reopening of nightclubs without any real mitigations. It is now common to see people, including staff in shops and elsewhere, simply not wearing face coverings. Of course, not wearing a face covering indoors is permitted in an increasing number of instances. Debate has now moved on as to whether face coverings should be required only while standing on public transport and seated at a wedding dance. No one can say that there is scientific advice on such specific requirements, and that removes people's faith in the whole thing.
Ultimately, we have to make a decision. If we are keeping face coverings in the regulations and thus in law, we need to enforce those regulations or put in place other mitigations where they cannot meaningfully be applied, rather than being seen to constantly pare back the requirements. Alternatively, we need to accept that we are now solely using guidance. After all, so many people are now not wearing face coverings at all.
Amendment No. 16 was made specifically to allow for the resumption of theatre and drama.
I welcome the fact that theatre and drama can resume, particularly for my constituency of South Belfast. Theatres have had a long wait to welcome back their patrons. I very much welcome the responsible attitudes shown by many theatres with which I have been in contact. Most have opted to reopen at full capacity, subject to checking for vaccination or a recent negative test, or, alternatively, they will open at below full capacity on terms similar to the hospitality industry; for example, face coverings will be required while moving about. I find that impressive, and I attended a show recently and felt that mitigations had clearly been put in place to assure those attending that they were at low risk.
Amendment No. 17 is curious. It was designed to stop significant gatherings in private homes. The example that is always given, for whatever reason, is raves. There is a fairly open acceptance here, as I have indicated in previous contributions in the Chamber, that the regulations for private dwellings were not particularly enforceable. We wasted too much time on specifics that were never going to be checked.
In Committee, I raised the issue of communications in response to each of the amendments that we are discussing. It is evident that Scotland is the leader in communications among the jurisdictions of the UK and Ireland. Scotland gives messaging that is clear and succinct. We are still talking about the latest communication plan, which is being updated to reflect the feedback from the attitudinal study. I welcome the fact that the Department of Health conducted that, but we need to see its outworkings soon, particularly in targeting the younger age groups, where we see the majority of cases at present. We also need to ensure that there is awareness, even if people feel that they are not vulnerable, that the chain of infection, particularly via households, can soon see the virus reaching an elderly grandparent or a parent with an underlying condition and so on.
I put on record my party's opposition to the reopening of high-risk indoor venues without any mitigations that are regulated for or enforced, be they spacing requirements, ventilation, vaccination or negative test checks. This morning, I was sent a photograph of a queue outside one of the venues in South Belfast. Scores of people who look like students — they were certainly young people — were queueing to get into a venue. That is dispiriting because students or young people cannot be taught properly in university classes because those establishments worry about their close proximity, yet we see them stand shoulder to shoulder with virtual strangers. Not to have those checks in place is a major error, and it will see infection rates and, ultimately, hospitalisation rates rise. We will see so much more pressure on our Health and Social Care staff. Putting that additional pressure on them when we are warning that we are heading into a very tough winter is particularly concerning.

Jim Allister: The regulations typify the steps being taken to open up society. There is a corresponding concern in respect of those who feel vulnerable to COVID as to whether and why our booster programme has fallen behind. Many of us were amazed at the efficiency and achievements of the original vaccination programme. It truly was a remarkable feat. However, suddenly, when it comes to the booster, which, we are told, is necessary six months after the previous vaccination, we drag far behind. The figure quoted is only 28%, which is less than half of some other devolved regions. As the Minister is present, I would like him to use the opportunity to explain to the House why the booster programme lags behind, what steps are intended to make up that lost ground and what the time frame is in that regard. There is particular concern amongst many about the booster programme.
If I can test your patience a little, Mr Speaker, I also invite the Minister to comment, if he can, on the fact that the medical director in the Northern Trust has said that patients visiting hospital should be entitled to ask the attending staff whether they are vaccinated. There has been some controversy about that, not least today. Is that the Department's policy? What is the compulsion, if any, on the nursing and medical staff to answer such a question? If they do not answer such a question, are there consequences? The medical director's remarks are opening up a whole new controversy.
If the Minister could clearly spell out the Department's stance on those issues, that would be of particular interest and assistance. I would like to hear from the Minister on those two points, within the ambit of the debate.

Alex Maskey: That would be stretching it.
[Laughter.]

Gerry Carroll: I start by expressing my sympathies to the families of everyone who has passed away from COVID. Unfortunately, thousands of people have died, including my grandmother Claire, who, sadly, died last week. Our nanny, as we knew her, was in hospital awaiting a care package. She was waiting for a long time, and, unfortunately, picked up COVID. She was transferred to the Mater and died later. The fact that our health and care services and systems are overstretched meant that communication broke down or did not happen. I do not for a second blame the health workers; I blame an underfunded system and am concerned that others will be impacted by that, as our grandmother was. My family and I thank the staff in the COVID centre and the Mater who cared for her. I am worried about how the winter will be for many people.
I turn to the regulations. I have raised concerns in Committee about evidence not being forthcoming to guide the lifting of regulations, especially those pertaining to the removal of social-distancing requirements at performance venues. I am concerned that there has been a lack of projected modelling of what the cases will be or what will happen if regulation x or y is lifted. We are met with daily warnings about the health service reaching crisis point this winter, so I am concerned that there is a plan to plough ahead without knowing about or having some baseline as to what the cases will be if those decisions are made and regulations are lifted.
I do not believe that the regulation allowing food ordering has been put through rigorous enough checks. Despite the fact that hospitality workers are integral to the venues operating, I am concerned that, once again, decisions are being made without any consideration about how front-line workers will be impacted by them.
I am worried about the winter. I am also concerned about the spread in cases not just among the elderly and vulnerable but in people across the community, the unvaccinated and those facing the possibility of long COVID.

Alex Maskey: No other Member has indicated a wish to speak, so I call the Minister of Health, Robin Swann.

Robin Swann: Before I start my remarks on closing the debate, I pass on the condolences of the House to Mr Carroll on the loss of his grandmother. It is never easy to lose a loved one, but there is often a special relationship with a grandparent that, I am sure, many Members have had. Mr Carroll, will you pass on our condolences to your family?
I welcome today's debate on the two amendments to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations. I thank Members for their contributions. I will address some of the points that were made by Members.
I was deliberate in my opening comments on how the regulations are the culmination of Executive decisions. I still feel the frustration and annoyance from the Health Committee about how it has to review, look at and mitigate the direction of travel of the regulations without the full evidence that goes to the Executive. We can give our input from a health point of view from our papers, our modelling, our TTP projection and our outbreak reports, and that is published on the Department's website, so I understand where the Chair and his members are coming from. The most recent amendment that we are talking about today was made on 9 October. We have not caught up on the debate over the regulations, but there is a shorter gap between when changes are made and when they are enacted.
I thank the Deputy Chairperson of the Committee, Mrs Cameron, for thanking and acknowledging the drafters. A small team of drafters in my Department, which has been supplemented now and again with staff from other Departments, works on how regulations are drafted, changed and challenged. I will put that into perspective: other jurisdictions have large teams that work in multiple shifts, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to do the same thing as we expect a small, dedicated team in the Department of Health to do. I reiterate what Mrs Cameron said and acknowledge the work that the team has done not only in turning the regulations out in time but in dealing with the challenge of converting into legislation the conversations or the will of a five-party Executive. As we heard in the debate, it is not always easy to change those conversations into legislation that can be easily understood and communicated. That was Ms Bradshaw's point.
Mr McNulty is no longer in the Chamber. He spoke about "cautious optimism", but, in that messaging, I encourage people not to lose the benefits and the optimism by falling into a level of complacency, dropping their guard and beginning to act as though the virus has gone away. Mr McNulty started to talk about domestic certification. Yesterday, we launched the domestic COVID certificate app. Having that facility is part of the Executive's autumn and winter planning, should it be needed. I encourage anyone who has been vaccinated and is eligible to download the app, because, if the Executive make a decision at some point to utilise it in Northern Ireland, people already having it would be a big advantage. It would reduce the workload, and the app will be able to be used in the other jurisdictions across the common travel area where proof of vaccination is needed.
Mr Chambers talked about the responsibilities that we still ask the general public to take on in order to support us. The messaging has not changed greatly. It is to get the vaccine when it is offered; wear a face covering in crowded or indoor settings; wash your hands regularly; cover your nose and mouth; self-isolate and take a PCR test if you have symptoms; if you do not have symptoms but are mixing closely with other people, take regular tests to reduce the risk of spreading the virus; meet outside, if you can; open windows when indoors; keep your distance from people who are not in your group; and work from home where practicable or do a mix of home- and office-based working.
There are still challenges. Ms Bradshaw highlighted part of the challenge, which is the communication when we start to ease regulations and move some parts from regulation to guidance. In many places and settings, face coverings, as I said in my opening statement, are still in the regulations. I want to see more enforcement and compliance, but, from the Department of Health's point of view, we have always had the struggle that the enforcement power and ability do not lie with us. We rely on other Departments, local government and the PSNI to make educated enforcement guidance and to have conversations with people, no matter where they may be, about face coverings still being a critical tool to be utilised by those who can use them. I acknowledge that there are people to whom face coverings are not applicable or by whom they are not easily used.
Mr Speaker, you indulged Mr Allister slightly, and, if you grant me the same indulgence, I will answer some of his points. I am slightly disappointed about where we are with the booster programme. The Member is right to highlight strongly the start that we got off to with that. I engaged with our Chief Medical Officer (CMO) and our vaccination team last week. Yesterday, I engaged with a number of actors who are key to the roll-out of our booster programme to see exactly where we are. While we have been able to support our GPs with additional vaccinators in some scenarios where they have been doing large vaccination campaigns, inputting the data into our vaccine management system did not keep up with that.
We have now asked the Public Health Agency (PHA) to look at how we can enhance the administration side of things so that, when people get the vaccine or the booster, that information is put on to the system. That drives the dashboard, which, in turn, drives public knowledge about how many vaccines have been supplied.
The House will be aware that Community Pharmacy stepped in yesterday to provide booster programmes as well. It is now acting in that regard. There is currently a dual-track approach between GPs, who will call people forward, and Community Pharmacy, with which people can make a booking if they are eligible. Those over 50 who had their second vaccine at least six months ago are eligible.

Colm Gildernew: Will the Minister give way?

Robin Swann: Yes.

Colm Gildernew: I thank the Minister for his remarks. I welcome the fact that Community Pharmacy is now involved. There is further scope to employ the volunteer vaccinator cohort to take the pressure off GPs, who are so stretched in trying to provide appointments. Does the Minister recognise that there is now some confusion about where people can go to get not only the booster vaccine but the first, second and third vaccines? With so many moving parts, it has become confusing for some people.

Robin Swann: I get that. Most of the people who came forward to the PHA as volunteer vaccinators or through the payment system were deployed to the SSE Arena. There were a large number of administrators as well. It is now about how we utilise them, through the PHA, to support our GPs. They are coming forward, and they are being used.
The Member is right about what is now available. We are still calling people forward for their first and second vaccines. In the region of 400 to 500 people a day are coming forward for their first vaccine. That is available through Community Pharmacy. From where people get their second vaccine will depend on from where they got their first vaccine. If people got their first vaccine from a GP practice, Community Pharmacy or a trust facility, they will get their second one from the same place.
The third vaccine that the Chair talks about is for people who are immunosuppressed. It is strange terminology, as it is a third vaccine, not a booster. Technically, it is a third vaccine. Just shy of 10,000 people who have come forward for the third vaccine are not included in our booster vaccine statistics. That starts to complicate the messaging.
For anybody who wants a vaccine, be it their first, second, third or a booster, the availability is there. When it comes to those people over 50 who are eligible for the booster, we are back to that twin-track approach, where it is got either from their GP or from Community Pharmacy.
Come forward and get your vaccine. Over 190,000 vaccine doses have been deployed to our GP practices. Those have to be used within three weeks. I think that it was Dr Alan Stout who said yesterday that he hopes to see an increase over the next couple of weeks, and so do I. We are making every effort to ensure that we can get our vaccine programme back on track and fully performing in order to deliver the booster programme as well. It is about working with all partners across the programme.

Colm Gildernew: Thank you for that clarification and the recognition that there is scope for confusion, given that things are so complex. You stated that you are disappointed at where we are at present, so is consideration being given to reopening some of the walk-in centres to make a start on fast-tracking the programme?

Robin Swann: When we met yesterday, everything was on the table. We looked at where we could go. I want to see Community Pharmacy and GPs start to deliver what they have said they will deliver. Let us not take away from the programme that Community Pharmacy and GPs delivered at the very start, before we moved to the mass vaccination programme.
One of the things that we need to be conscious of is the fact that people cannot get a booster until six months after their second vaccine. There is a time delay involved in determining who is now eligible. It is therefore not just a matter of opening mass vaccination centres for everybody to come forward for their booster. We are providing further communication to make sure that people are clear about who is eligible and where they can go.
I did not hear the comment that Mr Allister referred to, but I see that Tom Black said something similar in 'The Irish News' . That has not been discussed in the Department, nor had it been raised with me before I saw it on the front page of 'The Irish News' this morning. I would not be comfortable with, nor do I intend, following that direction of travel, whereby we challenge our health professionals to prove that they have been vaccinated before they treat patients. It is not something that I was aware of, have had conversations about or have definitely made a decision on.
I hope that I have answered as many Members' queries and questions as possible. In closing the debate, I remind Members that the choices that we make now will be crucial to ensuring that the virus does not begin to spread once more. As we continue to remove the remaining restrictions, our society moves closer to a return to normal life. By making safer choices, following the public health advice and complying with the regulations, we can all do our part to help slow the spread of COVID-19. I commend the regulations to the Assembly.
Question put and agreed to.

Resolved:
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 16) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 17) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021

Robin Swann: I beg to move
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 17) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved.

Alex Maskey: The motion has already been debated.
Question put and agreed to.

Resolved:
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 (Amendment No. 17) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021

Robin Swann: I beg to move
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved.

Alex Maskey: The motion has already been debated.
Question put and agreed to.

Resolved:
That the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings) (Amendment No. 6) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021 be approved.

Alex Maskey: I ask Members to take their ease for a moment or two before we move onto the next item of business in the Order Paper.
(Mr Deputy Speaker [Mr McGlone] in the Chair)

Private Members' Business

Rising Energy Costs

Steve Aiken: I beg to move
That this Assembly recognises the rising cost of energy; expresses concern at the effect these rising costs are having on those on low incomes; acknowledges that the increased cost of living combined with the financial pressures arising from the end of furlough and the removal of the £20 universal credit (UC) weekly uplift will leave many potentially unable to heat their homes this winter; and calls on the Minister of Finance, the Minister for the Economy and the Minister for Communities to work together to create a means-tested winter energy emergency fund to help those in need.

Patsy McGlone: The Business Committee has agreed to allow up to one hour and 30 minutes for the debate. The proposer of the motion will have 10 minutes to propose and 10 minutes to wind up the debate. All other Members who wish to speak will have five minutes.

Steve Aiken: We are all mindful of the very real and the palpable fear that many of our most vulnerable, as well as many who, until recently, thought that they were just about managing with the challenges of emerging from COVID, are feeling about the rising costs of energy. Whether it is gas prices, electricity or the escalating cost of heating oil, there is likely to be very little respite from the impact of the global hike in energy. That some local electricity companies have raised their prices four times this year alone gives far too many people the hard choice of whether to heat their home or feed their family.
For those who are at risk, there are also the equally worrying concerns about going in to unsustainable debt, seeking credit from whatever source they can. The impact on health, social well-being, children's welfare and education of a third or more of our population makes this a cross-cutting issue for the whole of the Northern Ireland Executive, but, in particular, it is an issue for the Finance, Communities and Economy Ministers. It is a crisis that was well foretold, coupled with the failure to address the existing challenges of fuel and energy poverty. I thank many of our Ulster Unionist Party council colleagues for raising these issues in council chambers throughout Northern Ireland.
The combination of gas realpolitik from Russia, a prolonged period of diminished wind energy, the restart of the Chinese manufacturing economy, and, more locally, the inadequacies of our energy sector, including its lack of robustness and resilience, has created an energy storm. That is without doubt. It is a storm that stretches across the Western world and Europe in particular, where gas and electricity prices have risen inexorably. Despite the United Kingdom having the lowest gas per therm price, there is a shortage of supply of gas and electricity. The 100% rise in gas prices, with electricity prices escalating by a third this autumn, even before the winter hits, should have caused alarm bells to go off across the Executive. That our Utility Regulator, as early as the summer, highlighted the upwards trend in gas futures shows that the information was available. It just, unfortunately, was not acted on.
That Northern Ireland is the part of these islands most affected by fuel poverty is well recognised. With a fuel poverty rate that is above that of the rest of our nation, a greater reliance on oil for heating, a very limited choice of electricity providers, and, at best, an intemperate climate, we have a real problem. We have to deal with the immediate problem, and, in the longer term, we need to look at how we deal with the situation. We need to take action now. It cannot be put off.
Yesterday, the Finance Minister outlined the October monitoring round. Quite rightly, there was an emphasis on healthcare. We also had what I can term only as an unseemly spat between several parties around universal credit and bringing forward schemes to fill that gap. There is, obviously, a disconnect between what is said in the privacy of the Executive and what is said in public, but there can be no disconnect in dealing with fuel and energy poverty. We know from research that cold kills. Three years ago, it was reported that 1,500 excess winter deaths in Northern Ireland were directly attributable to living in cold, damp homes. Add on the tangential impact of COVID, the greater energy costs, and the social dislocation and disruption caused by the pandemic, and that figure may, regrettably, be much higher this year.
Furthermore, the knock-on effect on our A&Es and heavily pressurised hospitals and on the well-being of many of our elderly and young people means that the impact will be hard felt across all of society. We can and must do better.
We are asking the Assembly to support us in a two-pronged approach that deals with the immediate challenge and, then, sets in place a properly thought-through future fuel poverty action plan. We may have to provide support to 180,000 to 200,000 households this winter. I will say that again: we may have to provide support to 180,000 to 200,000 households this winter. If we accept that a winter fuel allowance of around £200 is needed, that means that our Executive would have to find around £40 million. Looking at our latest monitoring round, we have not identified that yet. We recognise that this is a problem across all our nations. However, we need to make a provision for that funding in Northern Ireland by making clear that we will accept a future pressure into 2022-23, coupled with the rigorous removal of less important programmes. We should have the flex in our budgets to do that. If we are serious about supporting our most vulnerable, we should do it.
The maths are clear: with our baseline Budget of £12 billion, the approximately £40 million that is needed to provide an emergency energy fund represents around 0·4% of our annual spending. Surely, with some joined-up thinking, that could be allocated. The Finance, Economy and Communities Ministers could and should work together to create a means-tested winter energy emergency fund to help those who are in need. We ask all parties in the Executive to critically examine the real pressures and make some grown-up choices. It will cause pain to some Departments, but what is more important? It would help to deal with the immediate challenge and show to a very sceptical population that our Executive are capable of working together cooperatively, doing what is best for our most vulnerable people.
In the longer term, we have to accept that, as we transition away from fossil fuels, Northern Ireland's housing stock is not fit for purpose. We need to closely examine how we can prevent continuing fuel poverty. We need the Finance Minister to change the building regulations to stipulate housing improvements. We also need to look at incentives to promote microgeneration and encourage the change away from the monopolistic stranglehold that the System Operator for Northern Ireland (SONI) and Northern Ireland Electricity (NIE) — aka EirGrid and the Electricity Supply Board (ESB) — have on our grid.
The Economy Minister must focus efforts on the future of our energy supplies and on security, continuity, affordability and access. Part of that discussion must be about whether our current set-up can be made fit for purpose. By any objective assessment, it is not. We also need the Communities Minister to properly identify those who are at risk, allocate future funding for continued energy relief and work cooperatively with the other Departments to create a sustainable future programme. We are approaching another election. When we eventually emerge from that, we must ensure that addressing fuel poverty is a key part of any Programme for Government: it must be in the PFG.
We look forward to hearing from contributors to the debate. I commend our motion to the House.

John O'Dowd: I support the intent of the motion, and we will vote for it. Listening to Dr Aiken, however, I cannot help but feel that he is either deliberately ignoring the scale of the problem or that he has no realisation of it. I suspect that he does realise the scale of the problem. If he understands it, surely he and his colleagues have to understand that it is beyond the financial capacity of the Executive to deal with the looming energy crisis that is coming down the track and, indeed, that is here. Most observers in the field believe that it will continue right up until spring 2022.
Dr Aiken has given us a figure of £40 million that the Executive need to find. When we are looking to fund something, we have got into the habit of referring to the amount of money that the Executive have, taking the smallest decimal point that we can find and saying, "That is 0·4%". Last week, another party was looking for 0·5%. Next week, another will be looking for 1%. I do not care whether the Finance Minister is from the Ulster Unionist Party, the DUP or the SDLP or is Jim Allister. I do not care who it is. They can no longer subsidise Tory austerity and deal with events on a global scale such as the energy crisis.
While the intent of the motion is honourable and good, it does not recognise the scale of the problem. The scale of the energy cost rises impacts not only on those who have lost universal credit, whether they were working or not, but on families with two incomes. Whether both parents or however many in a home work, they will be hit by energy cost rises that they never thought possible.
It has been estimated that it costs £600 a year to heat an average family home using gas. It is now estimated that, with the increases, it will be over £1,000 a year. That does not take into account rising food costs, the rising cost of putting diesel, petrol or whatever it may be into your car, putting clothes on your children's backs or putting food on the table. All those things are coming down the track at families. I suspect that many families believe that they may be cushioned against that because they are working. You would have to be on a good wage to be able to say, "Right, my energy cost's going up by 100%. I'll be able to absorb that". It is impossible.
When we talk about tackling this, I do not think that £40 million does it. Last year, through COVID funding, the Executive received around £200 million to tackle fuel poverty as a result of COVID and other things. That is the scale that we are talking about. It is not 0·4% of the Budget. It is much, much more.
Today, the Assembly, with the Welsh Parliament and the Scottish Parliament, should send a clear message to Westminster that this is on a scale that none of the devolved institutions can deal with. This is not Tory bashing. I do Tory bash, but this is not Tory bashing. No devolved institution can deal with this issue. This is a central government problem. It is a Westminster issue. It has been caused by rising fuel prices, but there is a serious question as to whether the fuel to heat homes and keep people well should be sold on stock markets in the first place. It should never be a commodity that people invest in and make huge profits out of, and some may lose out. Somebody is making lots money out of this, you can be assured of that.

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Member to draw his remarks to a close, please.

John O'Dowd: While I will support the motion, it is not ambitious enough. The message from the Assembly should be, "Westminster, it's time to open up the purse strings".

Paul Frew: I thank the Members who brought the motion. The Member who moved it knows that I am passionate about energy. Some would say — he might say — that I am an anorak when it comes to energy.
Why am I so passionate about energy? It is simply because energy policy is a life or death policy. There are very few policies that we would grapple with in the Assembly that are so fundamentally serious. I agree with John O'Dowd when he says that this will affect every person in this country. I also agree with John O'Dowd on the financial scale of the problem. Where I part from his belief is that the Assembly cannot just shirk its responsibility and say, "This problem has to be solved by our sovereign Government".
There is a short-term issue here, but there is also a long-term policy issue, which we have failed to grapple with for many, many years. We have hundreds of excess winter deaths every single year. That is why it is life and death, and it is incumbent on the Assembly, the Executive and the Communities Minister, whose remit includes fuel poverty, to ensure that the most vulnerable in our society survive this winter. That is how stark the problem is.
It is a global problem, geopolitically driven by Russia and China for various reasons, and the shortage of stock and gas, which has led to a rise in prices, affects us disproportionately because of our mix with regard to generating energy. It is a local problem, and the fact is that our neighbours, whom we live beside every day, may not survive the winter. It is as stark as that. If we cannot do something here in the short term, as we did last year with COVID, we will fail those people and their families.

John O'Dowd: Will the Member give way?

Paul Frew: Yes, I will.

John O'Dowd: I just want to clarify my point. The Executive can do something. My point is that they cannot do enough. They need financial support.

Patsy McGlone: The Member has an extra minute.

Paul Frew: I thank the Member for clarifying that and for getting me the extra minute. He is 100% right.

Justin McNulty: Will the Member give way?

Paul Frew: Yes, I will, although I will not get an extra minute.

Justin McNulty: The Member talks about the importance of our doing something. Can he clarify his understanding of what happened at the Executive meeting? The Communities Minister put in a bid for an uplift in universal credit, which has obviously been taken away by the Tories. We have to play our part here and care for the people who need that support the most — the most vulnerable people in our society, as the Member mentioned. Can the Member clarify his understanding of what happened at the Executive meeting? Who supported that bid and who was opposed to it?

Paul Frew: I am loath to get into the very ugly debate that has been going on between those two parties around who is to blame for universal credit, but let me tell you this: both parties are playing politics on this. We know from the Committee meeting that, even if the £55 million had been granted, there was no ability to draw that money down. There had to be a further bid in January. Both those parties are playing politics with the most vulnerable people's lives, and it is ugly and wrong. You need to catch a grip of yourselves.

Andy Allen: Will the Member give way?

Paul Frew: Yes, I will.

Andy Allen: Does my Committee colleague also recognise that, when officials briefed the Committee, they pointed to the fact that it would take several months to develop the IT system to deliver the UC uplift?

Paul Frew: Yes, that is my point, and I thank the Member for making it. Stop playing politics with the most vulnerable people's lives and let us get to the matter at hand, which is rising energy costs that will affect people's lives and will kill people this winter. This is a very serious issue in the short term because people will die, so we need something to be parachuted in. It could be a very blunt instrument, and I suspect that it will be given the short-termism that we need to effect this change. We need to get people the support and the money — it is a financial necessity — that they will require to pay for fuel to heat their homes this winter.
There is also a long-term aspect. It might not only be rising costs that kill people. It might be blackouts or no electricity at all, and the fault and blame for that lie squarely and fully at the door of EirGrid, which has not planned appropriately, with all its knowledge and capacity, for the generation of electricity this winter, next winter, the winter after that and the winter after that again. People will die because of rising costs. People will potentially die because of blackouts. That is unforgivable.

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Member to draw his remarks to a close, please.

Paul Frew: Thank you very much, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Patsy McGlone: Thank you.

Mark Durkan: I support of the motion. I recognise that rising energy costs is a global issue.
In the context of the COVID pandemic and its economic fallout, those are, indeed, unprecedented challenges that are outside any Administration's control. However, the weakened and significantly disadvantaged position in which we find ourselves is not.
According to the latest data from the living costs and food survey, 11% of all weekly household expenditure in the North is on energy. That equates to an average household energy spend of £58 per week, the highest anywhere on these islands, and, of course, we know that many low-income households spend way more than 11% on energy. Therefore, it will come as no surprise that the North has among the highest levels of fuel poverty in all of Europe.
Those issues pre-existed the current crisis, yet the efforts to address them have not gone far enough. Instead, citizens here have been set at an even further disadvantage compared with their counterparts elsewhere. This is the only region without a warm home discount scheme, which offers a £140 discount on gas or electricity bills for eligible claimants, and that money is paid directly to suppliers. Fuel poverty experts have described that as a lifeline, but it is a lifeline that households here have been left without. For an area with the lowest disposable income, battling high costs is a recipe for disaster. Households here have now been hit with the double whammy of the end of furlough and the cruel cut to universal credit. The inability of the Executive to mitigate that economic reality serves only to deepen rates of poverty.
As the Fuel Poverty Coalition put it, the increases in energy costs, on top of those challenges, will lead to "the 'perfect storm' this winter". I agree with that assessment. People here were already feeling the brunt of Tory austerity, and the removal of the £20 universal credit uplift, which just about allowed families to keep their heads above water in recent months, has left low-income households worse off at their time of greatest need. Those are the same people who will be most adversely impacted by the heavy energy price increases.
Customers are still adjusting to the previous hike in gas prices that was announced in October, so it is beyond me how they are expected to meet the cost of a 50% increase in gas prices by December, never mind the 20% increase in electricity prices that is predicted for January. The price of energy continues to rise, and the situation shows no signs of slowing down. The forecasted rises will leave hundreds of thousands of people struggling to heat their homes, access hot water and keep the lights on. The rises are completely unsustainable, and they will be the breaking point for so many.
I cannot comprehend the fact that, in 2021, MLAs are in the Chamber begging Ministers to take action so that families are not forced to choose between putting food on their table and heating their homes in the run-up to Christmas. Jeekers, Christmas is not even worth thinking about at this stage. We need a long-term strategy from the Economy Minister to address those issues. I ask him to set his sights on incentivising and increasing the use of renewable energies.
The development of any future energy strategy must have —

Paul Frew: I thank the Member for giving way. He is quite right that we have to look at the energy strategy. That is the long-term plan. However, we need more than wind power. When the wind stops blowing, as it did in the summer, it puts our generation mix into very dire straits. Therefore, when we talk about renewable energy, it has to be about more than just wind.

Patsy McGlone: Tá nóiméad breise ag an Chomhalta. The Member has an extra minute.

Mark Durkan: I thank the Member for his intervention, and I concur with what he said.
The development of any future energy strategy must have net zero emissions targets at its core. While slashing the planet's carbon emissions, we can also slash prices and pass cost savings on to consumers. However, in the here and now, Ministers must work together to establish protections for the most vulnerable this winter.
I appreciate that the focus of the motion is limited to assisting low-income households. As Mr O'Dowd said, many more are affected —

Andy Allen: Will the Member give way?

Mark Durkan: I am sorry, Mr Allen. I have limited time.
I would like the Economy Minister to explore the potential inclusion of small businesses in any emergency energy proposals. They, too, bore the brunt of the pandemic's economic fallout and have been hit hard by the impact of rising energy costs. Although household energy costs here are, believe it or not, capped, businesses are not afforded any safeguards. We cannot afford to see local businesses that have weathered the storm of COVID being forced to shut up shop as a result of soaring energy prices. Businesses going bust means jobs being lost, thus contributing to the ongoing poverty cycle. We can and must do better than that.
I implore the Communities Minister to work alongside her Executive colleagues to establish a winter energy emergency fund for struggling households in order to mitigate the rising cost of living. I understand that a bid has already been made for a fuel support package, and discussions about it have begun with the Utility Regulator, but we need to see the matter progressed urgently, not held out as a carrot to be taken away at the eleventh hour. Too many opportunities have been lost.

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Member to draw his remarks to a close.

Mark Durkan: We cannot afford to deny families much-needed support this winter. An emergency energy scheme is needed now. I implore the Executive to consider implementing a cross-sector fuel poverty task force, as —

Patsy McGlone: The Member's time is up.

Mark Durkan: — recommended by the Fuel Poverty Coalition.

Stewart Dickson: The timing of the debate could not be more urgent. Our energy crisis has emphasised the need for real, meaningful and permanent change. As others said, the record high prices will sadly plunge thousands of households into fuel poverty this winter, with costs increasing at incredible rates in many areas.
The crisis has been sparked by a number of factors, but it is ultimately down to rising global demand for unsustainable energy. Prices have skyrocketed after the pandemic, as demand rebounded more quickly than expected. The rise in energy prices that we are seeing now will happen time and time again while we continue to rely on fossil fuels as our dominant energy system. In effect, we are in a perfect storm that has been brewing for some time.
People are desperate. They face rising energy prices, cuts to welfare and a long, cold winter. Even before the pandemic, over 160,000 households in Northern Ireland were living in fuel poverty. With no end to high prices in sight, we need to address the issue now. We must deal with it.
The removal of the universal credit uplift, which others mentioned, could not have come at a more critical time. Reports by citizens' organisations have demonstrated that some of poorest households in Northern Ireland could lose up to £40 a week. Over 300,000 people in Northern Ireland already live on the breadline. The Northern Ireland poverty bulletin reported that one child in four lives in poverty. Taking away the universal credit uplift will only plunge another 11,000 children into poverty and misery.
We cannot just pay lip service to fuel poverty, food poverty, clothing poverty and period poverty. We need to address all those issues on behalf of our constituents who can no longer afford the bare essentials. No one should be forced to choose between eating and heating. That choice represents an absolute failure of government policy, whether at Westminster or here, and it entrenches pre-existing inequalities. Some of our most disadvantaged are suffering in silence. Children from cold homes are twice as likely to suffer from respiratory problems as those living in warm homes.
We need urgent action in order to maintain and support people who are living in vulnerable circumstances, but we also need long-term solutions. We need to fund energy programmes fully, insulate and retrofit homes to make them energy-efficient, and change the energy price framework, which currently charges the highest rates to those who use the least energy.
We have to make progress on tackling fuel poverty. We have not done enough. Unprecedented price rises threaten to wipe out all the good that has been done and put pressure on vulnerable households. Funding has to be put aside to ensure that people can heat their home. We need to invest in greener energy and sustainable, insulated housing. Our most disadvantaged live in poorly insulated homes. People will suffer from the rising costs of energy. Cold homes cost £50 more a month to heat, and many people are at breaking point. That is why my party's green new deal focuses on sustainable energy and ending fuel poverty, while recognising that we have to build a secure and thriving green economy that delivers for everyone.
The decisions that we take now will determine whether this is a crisis in which we support vulnerable households or a catastrophe into which we let them fall. We have an opportunity to reimagine our communities, but that must involve all-encompassing, cross-departmental schemes. An example of that is being showcased in London with the release of the Future Neighbourhoods 2030 plan that puts long-term emphasis on the restructuring of the economy, ending inequalities through a green new deal and focusing on disadvantaged residents who have been disproportionately affected by fuel poverty. Departments here need to grasp practical examples such as that.
The effects of unemployment and the COVID pandemic will be seen hard and long through the winter. An emergency fund would go some way to reducing fuel poverty but would be a drop in the ocean compared to what is needed. It is time to put long-term emphasis on restructuring our economy, ending dependency on unreliable and climate-destroying fossil fuels.

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Member to draw his remarks to a close.

Stewart Dickson: Finally, Mr Speaker, a question for a Minister who is not here today, our Economy Minister: where is our energy strategy?

Cathal Boylan: I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate. It is quite interesting, with some Members talking about how we are living in unprecedented times. I know that Mr Frew is passionate about energy and knows the subject inside out. I will not profess to know about that issue, but what I will say is: I agree with my colleague John O'Dowd. When he spoke about where some of the answers for all of this lie, I saw the proposer of the motion nod his head. He talked about the £40 million. That £40 million is not going to wash here, folks. The interventions that we need to address these issues lie outside this place.
The first words that Mr Durkan used were "unprecedented times", and he then proceeded to go after the Executive. I have no doubt that the Executive will do their bit as best they can, but —

Mark Durkan: I thank the Member for giving way. I am not sure how closely he was listening. In my introductory remarks, I recognised that rising energy costs are a global issue and an unprecedented challenge that is outside any Administration's control. I am sure that the Member will accept that the Executive can and must do more to tackle this crisis through joint working.

Patsy McGlone: The Member has an extra minute.

Cathal Boylan: I appreciate what the Member says. We all know that this is a global crisis. The pandemic has not been to the fore of any of the contributions to the motion from the Floor, but it should be. If you read any of the statements, they are always about unforeseen energy rises. Talk to the other industries right across the economic sector or to the building trade: prices are rising no matter, whether it is wood or cement. No matter what it is in the construction industry, those costs are growing. This is a global crisis across the board, but I believe that some of the answers lie, and the onus lies, with Westminster. Other Governments across Europe and the world are tackling the crisis. They are engaging with energy companies and trying their best, so the responsibility lies with Westminster as well.
I will support the motion. A lot of people have been on, and we know that people have suffered and continue to suffer. They face many challenges arising from the pandemic. We all recognise the hardships that COVID has visited on our people. The reality is that we have plodded our way through COVID on the road to some form of normality, but we have to see what that normality may be. We have seen costs rise across the economic sector. We have all seen energy prices skyrocket over the course of the year, but this issue is not specific to the North. Energy costs have risen across the world, and that is due, in part, to our over-reliance on fossil fuels, weather conditions that make it harder to generate renewable energy and, of course, the demand for energy as we recover from the pandemic. Local suppliers have raised their wholesale energy prices as a result of worldwide demand for energy. In the North, wholesale gas prices rose by 150% between August and October. All local suppliers have raised their prices. Budget Energy has hiked electricity costs by 18%. Firmus Energy increased gas prices by 35% in the ten towns network. SSE Airtricity has increased prices by 21·8%.
Click Energy has increased its prices by 16%. Further price rises are expected to continue into the winter, and it is likely to be spring of 2022 when those prices will stabilise.
While this is a global problem that affects people right across the world, the increased costs come at the same time as the Tory Government's decision to cut £20 from universal credit and tax credits and raise National Insurance contributions. The combination of all of these factors will not only increase the number of people experiencing fuel poverty, as highlighted by the motion, but the number of people falling into poverty overall.
Workers and families in the North have the lowest earnings and disposable incomes across these islands and are, therefore, more vulnerable to further rising costs. The Consumer Council says that families in the North are more exposed to fuel poverty than those elsewhere due to our population having these lower wages and disposable incomes. As many have said, the scale of the energy crisis is unprecedented, and an energy fund alone would not be enough to help workers and families on low and middle incomes who will all be affected by these rising costs.
As I said, Governments across the world have taken measures and steps. The scale of the energy crisis cannot be resolved by funding from the block grant alone. I believe that the onus lies with the British Government. There are certainly measures that the Executive can take, and, by supporting the motion, I hope that we can come to —

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Member to draw his remarks to a close, please.

Cathal Boylan: OK. I am finished, Mr Deputy Speaker, Go raibh míle maith agat.

Nicola Brogan: It is clear that we are in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis. Ordinary families and workers are struggling to make ends meet, and, as Members across the House have said, energy costs have skyrocketed over the course of this year. When you add that to the rising cost of food, increased costs at the petrol pumps, inflation and the costs of unsubsidised childcare, you see that families right across the board are struggling to get by. Despite this, the British Chancellor delivered a Budget last week that offered no direct support for families facing these Bills.
Last week, the Tory Government demonstrated once again that they are wedded to the rich, with cuts to taxes for the banks. Meanwhile, ordinary workers and families will pay more National Insurance, and families here who are most in need have had their universal credit cut by the British Government. It is unfair, and it will potentially leave many families unable to heat their home this winter.
I am Sinn Féin's spokesperson on children and young people, so I want to look at how this could potentially affect children and young people. The likely consequences and impacts of unaffordable energy costs on children and young people are really concerning. According to research, for those living in insufficiently heated homes, there is a 30% greater risk of hospital admission for infants, and for children there is a significantly greater risk of health problems, particularly respiratory illness. For adolescents, there is an increased risk of mental health problems. Obviously, these risks are hugely concerning and that is why we need the British Government to step up and face up to their responsibilities, just as Governments across Europe have done. We are asking them to introduce significant measures to tackle rising energy prices.

Mervyn Storey: Will the Member give way?

Nicola Brogan: Sure, go ahead.

Mervyn Storey: I have listened to the Member and obviously she has raised a valid issue about insulation. Maybe she should have a word with her colleagues and ask them why, over the past number of years, her party has persistently resisted any changes to the Housing Executive. We are waiting on this new dawn for the Housing Executive from the current Minister, but that was denied by previous Sinn Féin representatives. That, ultimately, has led to a housing crisis for which she and her colleagues are responsible.

Patsy McGlone: Tá nóiméad breise ag an Chomhalta. The Member will have an extra minute.

Nicola Brogan: Go raibh maith agat, a LeasCheann Comhairle.
I thank the Member for his intervention. Today, we are discussing rising energy costs and how that is affecting everyone throughout the North. My point was about children and young people specifically. I will leave it to the Minister to respond to that.
Meaningful solutions to a crisis of this scale require intervention at the highest level. As has been said already, the Assembly has limited powers and a restricted Budget, both of which are determined by Westminster. Westminster has the power and resources to deliver solutions on the scale that is required to meet the crisis. That is why we put forward an amendment that focused on meaningful financial interventions that the British Government should deliver, rather than talking about the already overstretched departmental budgets here.
The motion recognises the role that the British Government, and the adoption of their policies, have played in driving the crisis. As was mentioned, the end of furlough and the removal of the £20-a-week universal credit uplift have impacted on some of our most vulnerable households and struggling businesses. However, the motion does not call upon the British Government to reverse those decisions, which they should. I support the motion, but it could have gone further to call for more support from the British Government.

Andy Allen: I have listened intently to comments from Members around the House. Some pointed out that it is beyond our capacity within our budget to address the issues: the cost of living issues that have been rightly pointed out; the cost of living issues that are squeezing families right across all our constituencies; and the cost of living issues that, as my Committee colleague pointed out, are a matter of life and death. I am sure that his colleagues in the DUP are the poorer for him not being in the Department for the Economy and bringing forward his passion about the energy crisis that we face. I have listened to the Member intently in our Committee, and it is clear that he has vast knowledge in that area. I am sure that he is feeding that to his current Minister.
Yes, the fund that is proposed in the motion is a short-term solution. It is similar to the short-term solution that the COVID heating fund provided in the context of the COVID pandemic. It is short term, and we need long-term meaningful solutions to address the issue that is facing all our constituents right across Northern Ireland. That is why we, as a party, have called repeatedly for the establishment of a fuel poverty task force.
I am sure that people will listen to that and say, "Not another task force. Not another body. Not another quango", but what would that task force do? I have spoken to and liaised with many of our subject matter experts in the fuel industry and in charities, which, day and daily, have to top up our constituents' gas and electric meters. Charities are having to provide financial and welfare support to those people because they cannot afford to heat their homes and they have to choose between heating and eating. That fuel poverty task force would support the Department for Communities to develop solutions to support those constituents who are facing fuel poverty. However, importantly, it would also help to develop long-term solutions to help to prevent many more individuals and families right across Northern Ireland from falling into fuel poverty.
We have heard remarks about the Housing Executive. We have had various reports, such as the cavity wall report, but where is the long-term meaningful outcome in respect of that? The Minister might be able to update the House today on the long-term action plan to properly insulate our Housing Executive homes.
The Minister might also be able to provide an update on her departmental proposals to utilise the £14 million fund. I know that it is only a drop in the ocean in comparison to what we need, but there is a £14 million fund derived from the UK for vulnerable households. Will the Minister bid to her colleague the Finance Minister for the entirety of that £14 million? What will those proposals look like? Will they be one-off payments? How will those one-off payments be measured against the impact on individuals on the ground? I will leave my remarks there.

Kellie Armstrong: This is not an unexpected rise in fuel costs. I have to admit that, 30-plus years ago, when I sat in my geography class in Queen's University, Dr Nick Betts predicted that, around this time in this century, we would see an increase in the cost of energy because we would have to move away from fossil fuels. That man should be given an award for predictions.
On behalf of the Alliance Party, I support the motion. I thank the Members for bringing it to the Floor of the House. The rising cost of energy is not going to impact every household; it is impacting every household. The cost of home-heating oil, gas, electric and, let us not forget, car fuel, is rising. Predictions are that those costs will only continue to rise before the end of this calendar year, which is months away. As we know, this is happening at the same time as the wider cost of living costs are increasing. What a way to come out of the pandemic. Because of the Spend Local cards, the impact of the loss of the uplift to universal credit of £20 per week has not yet been fully felt in many households. Many of my constituents have used the £100 on their Spend Local card to pay to heat their home and top up their electricity meter as much as they can in advance of winter. That means that, for many families, the money on the Spend Local cards has masked the impact of the removal of the COVID uplift. For most of them, November will be the month when energy costs hit worst.
What can we do? Of course, the motion calls for joint departmental working by asking the Finance, Economy and Communities Ministers to work together to create a means-tested winter energy emergency fund to help people in need. We should never allow any citizen to sit in a cold home. Older people, children, people with disabilities, and all others should never, in a First World society, sit freezing or foundered in their homes.
The increasing cost of energy also impacts on public services. Schools and hospitals will pay more for energy. We must do something about that. The Minister is here to respond to the motion. I will be honest: we have just had the October monitoring round, and no money has been allocated for a winter emergency fund, so what can we do? People who are cold want solutions, not finger-pointing. What can we do in the short term? Of course, we should write to the UK Government and ask them for financial support. We should also challenge the regulator and energy providers more. However —

Paul Frew: Will the Member give way?

Kellie Armstrong: I will.

Paul Frew: Does the Member agree that the regulator is probably underfunded and lacks capacity and should be given more support to regulate the people and organisations that are to blame for some of those issues and could well be the cause of blackouts this winter?

Patsy McGlone: The Member has an extra minute.

Kellie Armstrong: Thank you. A stronger regulator would certainly do that. I agree with the Member.
Let us address the short-term impact of energy cost increases. Bryson Charitable Group has won the fuel bank research tender. However, I assume that that will not be delivered on for this winter. National Energy Action NI and Advice NI have put in a bid for emergency energy support for people across Northern Ireland who have no resources to pay for home heating, so that, if, for instance, someone approached their MLA for a food bank voucher, they might also be offered a home-heating voucher. I do not know what is happening with that bid. The bid could provide the solution to a means-tested winter energy fund. People are already on the ground and ready to help us. As Mr Allen from the Ulster Unionists said, perhaps the Minister could clarify what is happening with that £14 million. Will there be a fuel poverty funding pot? I would love to hear what will happen with that. I will, of course, support the Minister if she puts forward a bid for that total amount.
In the short term, if we are to deal with fuel poverty that is caused by rising energy costs, the solution is money. We have to be honest about that. We all know that it is in tight supply at the moment. We need money now. In the medium term, we need more consideration to be given in the three-year Budget plan to things like insulation, retrofitting and investment in alternative, sustainable fuels. We need to look at energy options such as solar and wind. We need public education. We know that already in the year 2020-21, 45% of our energy was generated from renewables. Therefore, we have the opportunity to do that. We also need to improve the planning process so that solar and wind farms get through the system quicker.
In the long term — I appreciate what Mr Frew said earlier — it is not all down to wind energy. Where do we live? We live on an island. We could have tidal energy. We are not investing in that at all. In the long term, we need to invest in offshore energy, because that is where the solutions are: they are in wind and tidal offshore energy and energy storage. In the week that we are in, while COP is happening, we must not keep navel-gazing and taking knee-jerk reactions to rising fuel prices and fuel poverty. We need to plan and take actions to deal with poverty and fuel poverty.
How about this: New Decade, New Approach? We had a citizens' assembly. Why do we not give the citizens' assembly the ability to come up with an energy strategy? It could be our task force. They could be the people to bring that forward and say, "This is how we need to pull ourselves out of constantly rising fuel costs and energy crises".

A Member: Will the Member give way?

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Member to draw her remarks to a close.
[Laughter.]

Kellie Armstrong: I am afraid that I am finished.

Rachel Woods: I support the motion. For those in our society who are on the lowest incomes, struggling to make their budget stretch and provide for their family, the coming winter is shaping up to be like no other. Unprecedented gas price hikes announced last month coincided with increases in the cost of home-heating oil that have been incremental but significant. The Utility Regulator has warned that gas bills could jump by another 50% in December, and, with the cost of electricity also set to rise considerably, we face further price rises next year. When is it going to end?
We can talk about a worldwide squeeze on gas and energy supplies and various factors such as the cold winter in Europe last year, increased demand from China and the impact of the pandemic, but that will not bring comfort or solace to those who will have to choose, yet again, between heating and eating or making more sacrifices for the sake of their family.
Our people need action from government, and the Executive can and must introduce measures to ease the pressure on those with very limited incomes, but we should never have reached this point. For over 10 years, the Green Party has called for a green new deal for Northern Ireland that would involve a radical overhaul of our energy system and mass retrofitting to improve the energy efficiency of homes. We need to address energy insecurity at international and local levels. We have warned against reliance on fossil fuels, and we identified the recovery period from the pandemic as a once in a lifetime opportunity to change and build back better.
Those calls have not been met with meaningful action by the Executive. I repeat the questions, as others have. Where is the energy strategy that we were promised last year? Where is the fuel poverty strategy that we have been waiting on for nearly a decade? When will we implement passive house standards as a minimum in building regulations, so that all new homes require less energy and retain more heat? Where is the extensive retrofitting programme for older houses, so that we can stop people pumping money into heating their street rather than themselves? When will we see the huge investment in home-heating transition from oil and gas boilers to electricity from ground source and air source heat pumps? It needs to be joined up, however. Putting a heat pump in a poorly insulated home is like using a teapot with cracks in it, as my colleague said a couple of —

Paul Frew: I thank the Member for giving way. She raises valid points about the way forward with heat pumps and other things, but everything that seems to be a solution at this point will increase electricity demand — heat pumps, electric vehicles and everything that goes with them — so we need to get the generation mix correct. Does the Member agree that wind will not cut it on its own, so we are on the island philosophy that a colleague across the way referred to of tidal and hydro probably being the way to go?

Patsy McGlone: The Member has an extra minute.

Rachel Woods: I thank the Member for his intervention. I completely agree. We also need to look at the contracts for difference (CfD) scheme and at how pricing is set and whether it is set for Northern Ireland or within the rest of the UK and the Republic of Ireland. I would certainly welcome information from the Executive on where they are with that, or, indeed, from the Member's party colleague the Economy Minister on the energy strategy that we await. I completely agree, but there needs to be a coherent approach.

Mervyn Storey: I thank the Member for giving way. She talks about a coherent approach. A colleague and I have four projects on the north coast that are gone because of opposition to wind or tidal from people who believed that the environment was going to be damaged. How do we get a balance? In the debate, one says, "Wind, tidal; great, wonderful", but, when we go to produce them, we find that four companies on the north coast are out of business.

Rachel Woods: I thank the Member for his intervention. He is correct that a balance is needed, but we cannot just keep destroying the environment for the sake of projects that could be placed elsewhere. Mr Frew made the point that we need to invest in offshore, tidal and hydro as a mix.
National Energy Action (NEA) NI pointed out that, every winter, thousands of people are faced with living in properties that are dangerous or unfit for colder seasons and that 22% of households in Northern Ireland still live in fuel poverty. They live below the poverty line and have much higher bills owing to a poor level of energy efficiency. An analysis suggests that, during winter months, families in cold, leaky homes face bills that are different by, on average, £50 from those of families in well-insulated homes. The 'UK Fuel Poverty Monitor 2019-20' found that the pandemic had created difficult conditions for fuel-poor households, driven by:
"An increase in energy use, due to more people spending more time at home"
and
"A reduction in income, as many jobs were either lost or placed on furlough".
Therefore, it is time for the Executive to step up and tackle those issues head-on. It is not OK simply to say that we are at the mercy of the market. We leave it to the market only if we choose to do so. If regulation is required, Ministers should instruct their Departments to develop legislative proposals. The Executive must set the standard and the example through implementing the required changes in, for example, our social housing stock; not in ten years' time but now.

Patsy McGlone: Will the Member draw her remarks to a close?

Rachel Woods: I will indeed. In the short term, they must provide financial assistance to those who have been hardest hit by the energy crisis. Intervention is an option.

Gerry Carroll: I support the motion. First, the increases are an absolute disgrace. I am very concerned about how they will impact on people in my constituency and beyond, such as pensioners; people in work; those who face further pay freezes; people on benefits, including legacy benefits; and people who will be affected by the withdrawal of the universal credit uplift. The increases will have a real, negative impact on those people's lives.
This year, people are paying £1,000 more for energy than last year. The cost of heating a home and being able to wash has shot up dramatically, but pay and benefits have not; they have gone in the opposite direction. I am extremely worried about how people will get by this winter. This is an unprecedented increase and crisis, and fuel poverty already impacts on 42% of households. That figure will shoot up again even further.
As a bare minimum, the Executive need to ensure that people are protected this winter. They need to ensure that a protective financial blanket is put around people to make sure that they are not thrown to the wolves. People may ask, "How should that be paid for?". That is a fair question. However, to be honest, organisations that have made huge profits on the back of people should not be subsidised. The profits of those organisations should be tackled and the money used to introduce a payment scheme. I have already asked what powers Stormont has to do that, and some may say that they are limited. However, Stormont has power over welfare, so protection payments need to be put in place.
If the Executive cannot implement protection to prevent people being cold this winter, most people will quite rightly ask, "What are their priorities? What are they at?". A rapid and widespread winter fuel poverty scheme needs to be implemented urgently. Where is the emergency meeting of the Executive on that issue? Where is the fuel poverty strategy? There has been some talk about global causes, but there are some measures that the Executive can implement to protect people, such as a price cap.
The Utility Regulator and the Department for the Economy need to enforce a stop on unregulated energy companies profiting on the back of these price hikes, especially during such an unprecedented period. We simply cannot expect rising energy costs to be passed on to the public at a time of widespread hardship while energy companies are set to make millions in profits. Those with the deepest pockets should pay.
An emergency fuel poverty fund should be implemented. Unregulated energy companies need to commit to donating profits to an emergency fuel poverty fund, as suggested by some here, the Fuel Poverty Coalition and the Utility Regulator. Emergency financial support needs to be implemented, and additional funding needs to be directed towards increasing the winter fuel payment, the cold weather payment, the warm homes scheme and so on, as suggested by NEA and the Nevin Economic Research Institute.
A windfall tax needs to be implemented. Stormont needs to call on Westminster to implement a windfall tax on the profits made by energy companies this year and put that towards developing a green economy and a just transition.
Global causes can be used as an excuse, but the latest increase shows, once again, how unreliable the market is. In recent years, there has been an idea that more competition needs to be injected into the market. However, in the present crisis, the UK Government's preferred option is to let smaller energy companies fail and to persuade larger energy companies to take on the customers of their former rivals with the help of state-backed loans. In practice, that proves that competition is built on fantasy. Therefore, in the short term, we need to see those companies taken into public ownership to ensure that profiteering does not occur and that people are not subject to the whims and decisions of shareholders, chief executives and profiteers.

Mervyn Storey: Will the Member give way?

Gerry Carroll: Sure.

Mervyn Storey: Does the Member agree that countries such as Russia also need to be looked at? I believe that Russia is a communist state that rides on the back of the benefits of capitalism. Maybe it is time that Russia decided to look at its economics and at how it can help the rest of the world.

Patsy McGlone: Tá bomaite breise ag an Chomhalta. An extra minute for the Member.

Gerry Carroll: The Member wants a Russian history lesson. Russia is certainly not communist or socialist. It is a capitalist country, just like Britain and all those others. The DUP has a weird obsession with Russia and China, but I do not have time to dissect that today. Russia is very much a capitalist country. Capitalism is still your party's philosophy, which is strange, given that it cannot even protect people during a pandemic, never mind when prices shoot up.

Mervyn Storey: [Inaudible.]

Gerry Carroll: I do not know what the Member is shouting, but let me finish.
We need to have a just transition away from those types of energy resources. Fossil fuels burn the planet, and we know that they also burn a hole in people's pockets.

Patsy McGlone: Glaoim ar Aire na Roinne Pobal le freagra a thabhairt ar an rún. Tá suas le cúig bhomaite déag agat, a Aire. I call the Minister for Communities, who has up to 15 minutes in which to respond.

Deirdre Hargey: I thank all the contributors to the debate and am glad to have the opportunity to speak on the motion. The longer-term strategy for the wider crisis rests not just with me. It is an issue that the Executive as a whole have to address. All the issues were discussed at the most recent Executive meeting, and we will have to have an urgent, dedicated discussion going forward.
I am acutely aware of the impact that recent and ongoing announcements on energy price rises will have on low-income households. The price rises will impact on every family and every household across the North, coinciding as they do with the end of the furlough scheme and the cut to universal credit by the British Government. As some say, it really is a perfect storm, but the situation is imperfect for those on whom all those factors will have an impact.
This is correctly described as a fuel crisis, and it is a crisis that requires an urgent response. I recognise the urgency of the situation and the need for us, as an Executive, to act quickly to support vulnerable households, many of which had concerns about how to pay their bills long before the current situation came about.
My Department offers a range of supports to assist households that are in fuel poverty. Supports include schemes to help improve the energy efficiency of homes. We work with the Housing Executive and councils to offer the affordable warmth scheme to low-income owner-occupiers and households in the private rented sector with an income of under £23,000. Until a few months ago, that was the lower income threshold. We have increased the threshold to allow more families into the scheme. The scheme also includes multiple measures: cavity wall insulation; the installation of gas or oil; boiler replacement; and the replacement of windows. There is also the boiler replacement scheme, which provides a grant of up to £1,000 towards the cost of replacing an inefficient boiler that is over 15 years old. That scheme is open to owner-occupiers with a household income of less than £40,000.
As well as seeking to reduce fuel consumption through having energy-efficient homes, my Department offers vital financial support to vulnerable households through the social security system. The winter fuel payment scheme was introduced in January 1998 to help alleviate fuel poverty by providing financial help towards winter fuel bills, specifically for older people. Most winter fuel payments will be paid automatically to qualifying claimants during November and December, with all payments being made by 14 January 2022. The winter fuel payment ranges from £100 to £300, depending on the claimant's individual circumstances. Last year, 283,537 winter fuel payments were made here, to a total value of £50·6 million. The additional winter fuel payment was made last year, totalling £44·6 million, to an additional 223,000 households. The social fund cold weather payment provides a one-off payment of £25 in periods of severe weather to the elderly, the disabled and those with children under the age of five. The payment is automatically triggered once the relevant temperature criteria are met.
People who find themselves in crisis situations such as being unable to pay fuel bills due to increasing costs may be able to apply for short-term help through my Department's discretionary support scheme. A person does not have to be claiming benefits to qualify for help, and, if they meet the eligibility criteria, they can apply for an interest-free loan or non-repayable grant. Anyone who thinks that they might qualify can refer to the nidirect website for information. Many Members will know that I recently appointed an independent group to look at the discretionary support scheme and how we can enhance it. It will make recommendations to me soon. Any changes will need legislation, and I hope that I can progress that as soon as possible.
Since 2017, my Department has been running the social supermarket pilot programme at five sites across the North — Derry, Strabane, Coleraine, Lisburn and west Belfast. They operate on a membership basis and provide members who experience food poverty with access to food, alongside tailored wrap-around support to address the causes of poverty. The wrap-around support includes fuel poverty support where it is needed. Work is under way to design the roll-out of social supermarket models in all council areas through a co-design process. We are engaging with local government on that initiative.
With regard to the current crisis, my Department is developing a fuel poverty strategy, as many Members mentioned. Obviously, it has to be in line with the energy strategy and the green growth strategy. It will also form part of the anti-poverty strategy to address the long-term issues around fuel poverty and around poverty and inequality more broadly. It will sit alongside the other inclusion strategies around disability, LGBTQI and young people that will be included in the anti-poverty strategy and, of course, the gender strategy. Members will know that I will bring forward those strategies for implementation before the end of the mandate.
I acknowledge that an immediate response is needed to support those in need now, but that will not solve the issue in the medium to long term. Many Members have reflected that today. The Executive must find a sustainable solution to increasingly high energy prices that aligns with our fuel poverty, energy and climate change strategies and balances it with the potential impact on the efforts to reduce carbon and switch from fossil fuels to renewables. With regard to the current crisis, I have asked my officials to consider what my Department can do to contribute to the Executive's response to those in immediate and serious need. They have had early engagement with the Utility Regulator, along with officials from the Department for the Economy and the Consumer Council, to understand and consider what can be done in the current climate.
There were some questions asked about the Barnett consequentials. We got confirmation of that only last week in the spending review. It will be £13·7 million. I have already said publicly that I am in the process of making a formal bid to the Department of Finance for that full amount of £13·7 million. Of course, more money will be needed, because, when you look at the additional winter fuel payment that we gave last year, you see that it was over £44 million. The £13·7 million will do some things, but it will do very little. There are therefore serious questions around where that finance can come from.

Steve Aiken: Will the Minister give way?

Deirdre Hargey: Yes, of course.

Steve Aiken: I thank the Minister for her remarks so far. Is there any way in which the Minister can look through her Department and look at quantifying — I heard what her colleague from Upper Bann stated — the level that we should be looking at? There is an indication that there are additional moneys there, and we will be aware of some of the extra moneys that are likely to come over the next three years that we are going to get an indication of. Can she look at what the quantum is likely to be and put in a combined bid for that?

Deirdre Hargey: The combined bid will be determined by whether the money is there. Are Departments willing to give over money? As was stated, it is OK to say that it is only 0·4% of the Budget, but that could mean millions of pounds. The Department of Finance does not have a money tree. The money that it reallocates comes from other Departments that maybe cannot spend it in this financial year. Therefore I have to rely on other Ministers, if the money is available. Obviously, I will have to look within my Department as well.
Depending on the money, the support could be scalable. It could be £13·7 million, or we could scale it up to around £44 million, as we did with a similar scheme last year. Over £50 million will go out in the next month or two for the winter fuel payment. The support is in addition to those payments. My officials are working at pace to scope out the options that are available to provide support to citizens who may struggle to heat their home or pay their energy bills over the coming months. As I said, any intervention will be subject to the necessary budget requirements, and I am looking to bring forward a scheme as soon as possible. I will make a bid for the full £13·7 million, and, again, whether I can scale up a scheme will depend on the money that comes forward and what other Departments can potentially surrender.
Recently, I have also given out an additional £3 million payment to councils through the community support programme. We are engaging with local government. I know that many councils are looking at fuel support schemes and using that vital money to support people with their energy costs, as they did during the pandemic. The winter fuel payment will soon start to be paid out to 283,000 people. Over £50 million is being invested in that.
I acknowledge the contributions to the debate. It is an issue that is clearly recognised across the House. I fully support the need for collective action on the part of central and local government and all our partners in the community and voluntary sector in the hope that energy companies respond to the crisis. We can make an intervention, and it is right that we do so. I will continue to push the Executive to do that. I am developing a scheme, and I will bring it forward as quickly as I can. Fundamentally, however, we need to challenge the economic system that creates inequality and injustice and enables the fuel crisis, the cost of living crisis and the climate crisis. All those crises are not happening by chance: the global economic system is weighted to create crises and injustice. We can try to shield our citizens from the worst effects, but we cannot eradicate it on our own. That is why we need to stand up, articulate that and demand a different type of economic system that does not work for the minority. As many Members have said, somebody is making a profit out of it. A minority of people are making a profit. We need to turn that around and ensure that the majority of people feel the benefits and that those profits do not go into the pockets of a minority at the top of our global system.

Paul Frew: I thank the Minister for giving way. I hear what she says about systems. Does she recognise that, in the Republic of Ireland, householders and domestic customers supplement, if you like, the bills of large energy users, whereas, in the UK, it is the other way round, and, in Northern Ireland, the arrangements are unbiased?

Deirdre Hargey: The reality is that the global economic system is not working. It works for a few at the top and not for the many. That needs to change. It is not by chance that we are in a global climate crisis, a global cost of living crisis and a fuel crisis, but people are making billions of pounds in profit. That is abhorrent, and it needs to change. On issues like that, we need to stand collectively with all Governments to say, "Enough is enough".
We can do things locally. I completely agree with the motion's intent and that we should do something. I am trying to work at pace to bring something forward. Over the next period, the House and all parties can prioritise the anti-poverty and social inclusion strategies that I am bringing forward. They are being designed by the sectors involved, such as our community and voluntary sector, our LGBT community, our women's movement, our disability community, our charities and others. I ask that those strategies are endorsed when they come to the Executive and the Chamber.
I ask the House and all parties to agree to a stand-alone outcome on housing in the Programme for Government. We need to deal with the housing crisis, and all housing campaigners and those working in the field have called for that. Again, will all the parties in the Chamber endorse my proposal at the Executive to have a stand-alone outcome in the Programme for Government?

Andy Allen: Will the Minister give way?

Deirdre Hargey: Yes. Of course.

Andy Allen: Does the Minister agree that, given that we are discussing the impact of the cost of living on many people across Northern Ireland, it is incredible that her Department had to return £2 million in the October monitoring round in respect of the closure of loopholes under the welfare mitigations? Will she call on the parties to remove the blockade on that and, in order to do so, consider an initial 10-year period for the mitigations, with the ability to extend where necessary?

Deirdre Hargey: In my closing remarks, I will cover the things that can be done now, Andy. I thank you for your intervention.
We can legislate now to improve workers' terms and conditions: the right to unionise —

Patsy McGlone: I ask the Minister to draw her remarks to a close, please.

Deirdre Hargey: — the right to a real living wage and an end to zero-hours contracts. We also need to implement the welfare mitigations and get those across the line. One party is blocking the mitigations from being put on the Executive table. This Thursday, I will again call for a decision, not discussion, on that.

Patsy McGlone: Minister, the time is up.

Deirdre Hargey: We can do stuff, so let us get down to doing it.

Mike Nesbitt: I begin by thanking the Minister for making herself available to listen to the contributions and for responding with a highly factual set of remarks. As for her call to support a specific housing outcome in a Programme for Government, I will not do policy on the hoof. We have heard calls for specific outcomes for young people and older people. Given the way in which the draft Programme for Government for this mandate was drafted, to go down that route would be a reasonably radical change, so it needs some thought.
I also thank all the contributors to the debate. Before I touch on the themes, I would like to step back 10 years to when I first got elected here to "Château Despair". I was asked to serve on the Economy Committee, and one of the first things that surprised me was the fact that there was no energy strategy. How could you have a devolved Administration without an energy strategy? That point, of course, has been made by many Members, including Mr Dickson and, perhaps most significantly, Mr Frew, who said that it is a "life and death" strategy. I have to say to Mr Frew that I got very excited, in a platonic way, when he became the Minister for the Economy, because I thought, "Here's a man who really understands. Here is a Member who's going to do great things in terms of our economy strategy", which we still await.
I acknowledge Kellie Armstrong saying that that is the sort of thing that you might put to a citizens' assembly. In principle, I agree, because we, naturally enough, work in the here and now of a five-year mandate, whereas energy and transport are issues that we need to look at over a 20-, 25- or even 50-year period. A citizens' assembly would not necessarily be second-guessing what we do in here; it would be doing something different and potentially very helpful.
We need an energy policy, and I know that we are promised one before the end of the calendar year. That is one leg of the three-legged stool approach. You need policy; appropriate, effective planning; and a good grid for transmission and distribution. In fact, it is more than a grid, is it not? If we go for the likes of hydrogen energy, we need storage, and we need battery storage for wind and tidal power. Those things go together. You need battery storage and a grid for transmission and distribution, as well as planning and policy.
Before I arrived up here, something else surprised me on my first canvass to get elected. I was in Newtownards. I will not say where, but let us say that there was a small group of detached homes with two cars in each drive. As I walked into that area, I did not think that I would encounter vulnerable people as such. However, a woman who opened her door was highly distressed. She had just given up work to look after her husband, who had gone through a serious operation for cancer. What she had to do that really worried her was to heat the home two or three degrees more than normal, because he needed that additional heat to recover from the operation.
That had never crossed my mind, and she was desperately worried that she could not afford it. We would describe her as being middle class and not vulnerable, but, because of her husband's medical condition, she was incredibly vulnerable. That happened in normal times for energy prices when an increase might have been 2% or 3%.
A few weeks ago, the Utility Regulator came to the Economy Committee and said that things were dire. At the beginning of October, Firmus Energy, which does the ten towns, got a 35% increase in its tariff. It wants another 40% on top of that before the end of the calendar year. Since then, the Utility Regulator has revised that predicted increase to 50% and the one for Power NI customers from 16% to 20%.

Paul Frew: I thank the Member for giving way. I only want to illustrate that that will not be a price blip; it will be part of a sustained and seismic change in the way that we look at energy and the cost of energy for the foreseeable future, probably going into years.

Mike Nesbitt: I thank the Member for his intervention. I agree with him, I think that the Utility Regulator agrees with him, and it is also a point made by other Members, including Rachel Woods. The Utility Regulator is looking to us but is also suggesting to those in fuel poverty that there are other agencies, including Advice NI, Christians Against Poverty, the Money and Pensions Service, to turn to, no doubt in desperation, when looking for help.
When I look at some of the main themes, the biggest one was probably that horrible dilemma of whether you heat or eat. Mr Aiken mentioned that in opening the debate, as did Mr Durkan, who backed it up with some decent statistics on fuel poverty. Mr Durkan also referenced the lack here of the £140 warm home discount scheme that applies in England, Scotland and Wales. Stewart Dickson said that no one should be forced to choose between heating and eating, and Cathal Boylan mentioned low-income families.
Nicola Brogan talked about childcare and the increase in National Insurance as being part of a perfect — or, as the Minister described it, imperfect — storm in which energy costs, the loss of the £20 a week uplift in universal credit, the end of furlough and the prospect of a particularly cold winter are impacting on people. A perfect — or, as Ms Hargey said, imperfect — storm is coming our way.
Other impacts were referenced by Members. Nicola Brogan, speaking as her party's spokesperson on children and young people, said that under-heated homes impact negatively on the physical health of young people to the point at which they have to engage with the National Health Service. The National Health Service, which we acknowledge daily in the Chamber, is strained to near breaking point. Nicola Brogan and Andy Allen mentioned insulation, and the Minister has confirmed that she will bid for the £14 million fund that Andy Allen mentioned. Rachel Woods also talked about the need to bring forward a passive homes scheme.
The impact is not just on homes; there will an impact on our public services, as Kellie Armstrong mentioned. Schools need to be heated and hospitals need energy, and the costs will go up for them as much as they will for everybody else. We talked about renewable energy and wind power, and Mr Frew was one of the Members who made the point that the wind did not blow as hard as we wanted it to blow this calendar year. We do not have tidal energy, but Kellie Armstrong will agree with me, as a Member for Strangford, that SeaGen was a global first in generating tidal energy, and it generated a lot more than predicted with none of the downsides. Why does it seem that we have come to a full stop on tidal energy? Mr Storey made the point that sometimes environmentalists object when we bring forward green energy schemes.
We have called for the Minister for the Economy, the Minister for Communities and the Minister of Finance to work together. I acknowledge that the Minister, without saying that she would work toward the means-tested winter energy emergency fund that we are calling for, has said that she wants to work with colleagues in the Executive and beyond, including councils and community and voluntary sector groups, and I very much welcome that.
Mr Carroll said that the figure of 42% of households in fuel poverty will rise, and he launched the expected attack on the profits of the energy companies, but here is a question that we have not addressed in the debate: what if one of those energy companies goes bust? What happens to people who rely on an energy company to heat their home? That has happened in GB. Do we have the resilience to look after them if it happens here?
We also had a very short debate about whether Russia is communist or capitalist. In my last 30 seconds, I could start a debate about whether Sinn Féin is Ourselves Alone any more, given that it wants Westminster to intervene. Mr Boylan and Mr O'Dowd said that Westminster has to intervene and that it is down to Westminster. Whatever you do, Mr O'Dowd, do not take your seat and make that point in the House of Commons.
Question put and agreed to.

Resolved:
That this Assembly recognises the rising cost of energy; expresses concern at the effect these rising costs are having on those on low incomes; acknowledges that the increased cost of living combined with the financial pressures arising from the end of furlough and the removal of the £20 universal credit (UC) weekly uplift will leave many potentially unable to heat their homes this winter; and calls on the Minister of Finance, the Minister for the Economy and the Minister for Communities to work together to create a means-tested winter energy emergency fund to help those in need.

Patsy McGlone: As the Business Committee has arranged to meet at 1.00 pm today, I propose, by leave of the Assembly, to suspend the sitting until 2.00 pm. The first item of business when we return will be questions to the Minister of Justice.
The sitting was suspended at 12.51 pm.
On resuming (Mr Speaker in the Chair) —

Oral Answers to Questions — Justice

Alex Maskey: Question 13 has been withdrawn.

PPS: Staff Numbers and Resources

Mike Nesbitt: 1. Mr Nesbitt asked the Minister of Justice what discussions she has had with the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) regarding staff numbers and resources within the Public Prosecution Service (PPS). (AQO 2650/17-22)

Naomi Long: I meet the Director of Public Prosecutions regularly, and I most recently met him at the end of September 2021. Although I fully recognise the operational independence of the Public Prosecution Service, our discussions include consideration of the resources that are available to the PPS in the context of our shared efforts to recover the justice system from the impact of COVID-19. As a non-ministerial department, however, PPS funding does not fall to my Department. The Public Prosecution Service receives its funding from the Department of Finance. The Director of Public Prosecutions is also a member of the Criminal Justice Board (CJB), which is the main strategic oversight group for the criminal justice system. The board meets regularly, and, where appropriate, its meetings include discussion on the availability of resources.

Mike Nesbitt: I thank the Minister for that answer. Has she given any consideration to the implications for the Public Prosecution Service should the Stormont House legacy proposals go ahead, particularly the proposal for a Historical Investigations Unit (HIU)?

Naomi Long: I thank the Member for his question. It is an issue that causes all of us considerable concern. I am on record as saying that the justice system, as currently constituted, is not the right mechanism through which to deal with all the issues in the Stormont House Agreement. When it comes to the issue of dealing with legacy, I believe that we need to have a properly managed approach. The Stormont House Agreement would allow us to do that over a fixed time period and in a progressive way, and that would lead to good outcomes. The Public Prosecution Service has, of course, engaged with us in those legacy discussions, as it has with the NIO, as one would expect when it comes to resourcing. It will be challenging for all parts of the justice system, which is why it is important that any comprehensive arrangement for dealing with legacy issues also be properly funded.

Justin McNulty: Minister, I have just attended a gut-wrenching event at the front of the Building, at which the families of the disappeared walked in silence to the steps of Stormont and laid a wreath in memory of those who have disappeared. I was speaking to Oliver McVeigh, whose brother has been lost for so many years. I was speaking to Anne Morgan, whose brother Seamus Ruddy was found four years ago and then buried. She still pinches herself every day that he was found.
The families are so strong, and their dignity is extraordinary. Although there are pressures on the Justice Department's resources, can you tell me whether the resources are there to help those families locate their loved ones? Moreover, are the resources there to ensure that those who were responsible for the disappeared will be brought to justice?

Naomi Long: On the issue that the Member has raised, all of us will want to extend not just our sympathy but our solidarity to those who find themselves in what is a completely unacceptable situation. Not only have they lost a relative but they have found themselves with no place to grieve, no place to mark that passing and no way to give their loved one a dignified burial, and that compounds their grief and hurt. That is the first thing that I want to say.
On the recovery of remains, the Member will be aware that responsibility for the Independent Commission for the Location of Victims' Remains (ICLVR) lies with the Northern Ireland Office rather than with my Department. In holding to account those who took lives and disposed of the bodies in such a barbaric fashion, however, as I said in my answer to the original question, I believe that, at this time, the justice system is the only show in town when it comes to dealing with those who have conducted themselves in such a way. The proposals that the Government have brought forward would deny that option, however, even were further evidence to be made available. That would be the wrong thing to do for the very reason that you have spoken about today, which is the grief of the families and the fact that that grief has already been compounded by their long wait for justice, and that is potentially now to be denied. It is important, and incumbent on all of us, to find a solution that offers a viable and funded alternative to what the Government are currently proposing. I do not think that any of us in the House wants to be a party to the pain that the victims have suffered over many years.

Relationships and Sexuality Education

Mark Durkan: 2. Mr Durkan asked the Minister of Justice whether she has had discussions with the Minister of Education since 14 June 2021 to discuss collaborative plans to improve the provision of relationships and sexuality education in schools as recommended by the Gillen review report into the law and procedures in serious sexual offences in Northern Ireland. (AQO 2651/17-22)

Naomi Long: The provision of effective and consistent relationships and sexuality education (RSE) in all schools is vital in providing children and young people with the information and tools that they need in life to understand healthy relationships, make informed decisions and protect themselves. Changes to how RSE is provided in schools do not fall within my Department's responsibilities and can only be delivered by the Department of Education. However, I am keen that my officials should support such work insofar as is possible. That is why I wrote to the then newly appointed Education Minister, Michelle McIlveen, in early July seeking a meeting to discuss what steps were being taken by her Department to improve RSE. I wrote to her again on 11 October but still await a response. I believe that there is real momentum in the community for progress in this area, so I have asked the Education Minister to give the matter her urgent attention so that we can arrange a mutually convenient time and date to discuss these important issues.
Members will be aware that I met the former Education Minister, Peter Weir, in March to discuss the same issues around improving RSE provision. During that meeting, Mr Weir gave a commitment that his Department would lead cross-sectoral work to look at improving the provision of RSE, including a review of the Education (Curriculum Minimum Content) Order (Northern Ireland) 2007 in relation to RSE. My Department subsequently arranged three workshops in June to allow stakeholders to put their views directly to Department of Education officials about how they believe RSE provision can be improved. I understand that participants in those workshops also identified gaps in the current minimum content order and made suggestions about those elements of RSE that they felt should be made mandatory as part of the curriculum in all schools.
While I understand that any changes to the minimum content order will require legislation, and that that will not be progressed in this mandate, Department of Education officials have advised that they believe that there is other work that can be taken forward in the interim, and they will report back to the Gillen education and awareness group, which is chaired by my Department, with their proposals.

Mark Durkan: I thank the Minister for her answer, and, indeed, for her endeavours in cross-departmental working on this issue, which is not solely, if at all, under her remit. It is disappointing that her efforts have not been reciprocated. That is something that we should all bear in mind and try to get enacted. Will the Minister outline the importance to society of getting this done?

Naomi Long: If we look, even in recent days and weeks, at a number of issues, including, not least, the spiking of drinks, where we have seen a rise in the statistics, it is hugely concerning that we do not provide young people with the kind of relationships and sexuality education that would allow them, for example, to fully understand and explore issues around consent and domestic violence and abuse, and to equip them with not just the tools but the knowledge to be able to protect themselves and those around them from abuse and exploitation.
It is also important, in young people moving forward and having healthy relationships, emotionally and sexually, that they are equipped with the full spectrum of information that they need to be able to do that safely at a time of their own choosing and free from coercion or control. It is clear that Sir John Gillen felt that, without changing RSE, we would not be able to have the cultural shift in attitudes in society that would lead to a change in the kind of entitlement that we see displayed when people spike people's drinks, assault people in the street, harass women going about their daily business or, indeed, engage in sexual assault, and not only of women but of many people who are out socialising and getting on with their lives and who find themselves subject to sexual harassment and abuse. If we are going to change the culture, we need to start with the next generation. It is for our generation to ensure that we provide the best possible education for them.

Nicola Brogan: Minister, relationships and sexuality education is important in tackling domestic and sexual violence and violence against women and girls. It is quite timely, given, as you said, the recent reports on drinks being spiked. Does the Minister share my concern at the lack of progress being made by the Education Minister on relationships and sexuality education in schools?

Naomi Long: I very much welcome the previous Education Minister's commitment to look at the minimum content order. That is the place to start. At the moment, the minimum content order is about as minimal as a content order can be and, therefore, leaves schools with a wide latitude to decide whether to give people full relationships and sexuality education or to take a very minimalist approach.
It is hugely important that all young people, in the same way that they are taught numeracy, literacy and all the other subjects that equip us for life, are taught the right skills when it comes to being able to enjoy relationships in a healthy way and in a way that is not subject to coercive control or abusive patterns. School is a good place to do that. It is also a safe place for young people to, in the course of that conversation, speak to their teachers and others in authority whom they trust about abuse that they may have witnessed or experienced, either in the home or in their peer group. They will be able to share that with people who may then be able to direct them to services. By providing the opportunity for people to speak, we give them that extra support.
It is, of course, disappointing that we have not made more progress than we have, but, in fairness, the Department's officials are working very closely with my officials to try to build up the evidence base. I hope that I will get the opportunity to sit down with the Education Minister in the future, because I have no doubt that she, like me, is concerned about this issue.

Rosemary Barton: Minister, can you provide an update on the work carried out by the Gillen education and awareness group?

Naomi Long: My Department chairs the Gillen education and awareness group, but it also includes members from a number of other organisations, including the Education Department. We have set up a group within that to look at RSE and particularly the minimum content order. Again, that group is cross-departmental and multi-agency. A number of organisations are helping to take forward the Gillen review recommendations. The group is chaired by my Department. Health, Communities and Education are all represented, along with 30 other organisations, including Nexus, Victim Support, the Rainbow Project, Cara-Friend, the PSNI, the NSPCC, the Education Authority, the Interfaith Forum, Raise Your Voice and the Council for the Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment.
As well as doing work on RSE, the group is conducting scoping work to inform the development of strategic communications to challenge the myths around serious sexual offences, and I hope that that will be able to launch next year. A huge amount of work is ongoing. I ask Members, when they are on Twitter, to take the opportunity to share the pinned tweet on my Department's Twitter page at the moment. We are doing some work on rape myths and how we bust those myths in wider society so that, when people go to court, we have a well-informed cohort in the jury.

PSNI: Unionist and Loyalist Confidence

Jim Allister: 3. Mr Allister asked the Minister of Justice what steps she has taken to promote confidence in the PSNI within unionist and loyalist communities. (AQO 2652/17-22)

Naomi Long: It is incumbent on us all to cooperate with policing, to support the police in their work and to respect due process and independent oversight mechanisms, which are specifically designed to ensure public confidence. I will continue to work with the Chief Constable and his senior management team to help build and maintain public confidence in policing. I once again ask political and civic leaders to play their part as well. Public confidence in the police should be based on how they perform for the whole of our community. The recent narrative around a lack of confidence in policing seems to me to be based on perception rather than fact and to be far from universal, so it may be helpful for the Member to focus on some of the facts as they stand today.
Last year saw a further increase in drug seizures, with drugs with a street value of over £1·2 million taken out of circulation. Crime rates for violent crime, burglary, robberies, vehicle theft and criminal damage have continued to show a sustained downward trend. During August, the PSNI received 64,491 requests for service, processed 2,067 arrests, prepared 3,108 case files for the Public Prosecution Service and travelled over 1 million miles to respond to calls from the public. In reality, there has been a consistent increase in victim satisfaction with the police over the past four years, with 86% of victims reporting that the PSNI treated them with fairness and respect in 2021-22.
Therefore, we should all work together to support the PSNI to progress its proactive focus on those who are doing harm in communities. That is what builds confidence and, in my view, is what communities really care about.

Jim Allister: If the Minister thinks that there is not a lack of confidence among the unionist and loyalist community and that it is only a matter of perception and not reality, I am very disappointed by her complacency. Does she think that she maybe contributed to that lack of confidence by her action in the House a few weeks ago, when she voted against the removal of convicted prisoners from the Policing Board? Does she not think that that gives cause to the lack of confidence in the police by many in our community and feeds that view? How can she justify saying to the community that it is right to have convicted terrorists controlling the police through the Policing Board?

Naomi Long: I am rather amazed that the Member would pursue that line of enquiry given his recent run-in with — or should I say "run over" of — a police officer who was doing his duty, as he ought to do. I am surprised that the Member continues to come to the House to denigrate the good work of police officers. Disrespect from Members towards police officers who are doing their duty, with no regard for how difficult their jobs are, and the constant narrative about two-tier policing and criticism of the police undermines confidence in communities far more than any vote that I may cast in this place.
I say that with a degree of confidence. I have been to loyalist areas in my constituency and have spoken to people who live there. They have no lack of confidence in their local neighbourhood policing team or in its ability to respond to the concerns that they raised. Though strained, relationships are good. I heard the same story when I travelled to the north-west on Friday and spoke with those in loyalist communities there. However, because of the political narrative, people are afraid to be seen to engage with policing in their community. If people have a lack of confidence in policing, it is incumbent on people such as the questioner to take some responsibility and focus on supporting the police rather than undermining them at every cut and turn.

Trevor Clarke: My question follows on nicely from the Minister's response. I note that the Minister did not touch on the comments from one of the Policing Board members — one of the people whom she appointed — who referred to the RUC as a sectarian force. That Member talks about 50:50 recruitment at every opportunity; however, none of the individuals from the nationalist side seems to go out and openly encourage nationalists to join the police. Does the Minister think that that Member's comments about the RUC, which is now obviously the PSNI, were helpful or built confidence in the unionist community?

Naomi Long: It would build confidence across the community if we did what was envisaged in the Patten report and took politics out of policing. We need to focus on the stuff that I talked about in my answer to the Member for North Antrim on delivering for communities and tackling crime.
Frankly, it is not acceptable for anyone in the House, from any perspective, to undermine respect for policing. It is incumbent on every one of us to do everything in our power to encourage more people to join the Police Service so that it becomes even more representative. There is an opportunity for people to do that and to encourage people to step forward and join the PSNI. On different occasions, every party in the Chamber supported police recruitment campaigns, physically turning up to their launches and issuing statements that encouraged people to apply.
We need to get beyond the tit for tat on policing and to focus on the job that they do and hold them to account. I know that, as a member of the Policing Board, the Member obviously wants that as well.

John Blair: In the week in which we mark the twentieth anniversary of the PSNI and the bravery and community spirit of those who serve in it, does the Minister agree that building confidence in policing is also about building confidence in the oversight structures, such as the Policing Board and the Office of the Police Ombudsman, and avoiding party politicking around those structures, their clearly defined independent roles and the personalities of those who serve in them?

Naomi Long: It is important that, at the new start that we had for policing, we did not trash the reputation of what went before. Many honourable people served in the RUC, and many of them gave their lives in the service of this community. Their families have suffered a great deal. It was clear from the Patten report that there was no intention to undermine that record of service. The report provided a fresh start for policing that would allow the entire community to buy into policing, engage in support for policing and encourage people to come forward from their communities and get involved in policing. Twenty years on, that should still be our ambition. There are, of course, under-represented groups in the PSNI, and we should seek to address that issue at every opportunity. Today is one such opportunity.
The Member for South Antrim is correct, however: it is about support not just for policing but for the overarching structures that exist to ensure that policing is not politically motivated and that no Member has overarching control of it. That is how it should be. If we invest our time and energy in the structures at the Policing Board and in support of the work of the Office of the Police Ombudsman, we will have, through those tripartite arrangements, the best and most robust arrangements possible to provide the confidence that is needed in communities.
Ultimately, however, people will listen to the voices of their elected representatives. Amplifying grievance is not the way to build confidence. Addressing issues constructively is the way to build confidence. Members need to focus on that.

Sinéad Bradley: I appreciate the Minister's taking the opportunity to set the record straight about the fact that nationalists encourage people to join the PSNI and have done so consistently for 20 years. Does the Minister believe that reckless, inaccurate questioning is divisive? As we embrace a recruitment process in which we try to build a police service that truly reflects our entire society, the type of questioning that we have heard in the House today is unhelpful and does not reflect society
[Interruption.]
In this case, society, as it is very often, is ahead of the people who claim and purport to represent it.

Alex Maskey: Order. Ms Bradley, take a seat for a second, please. I call for order. Everybody who is called is entitled to ask a question and to be heard. Everybody else has the same opportunity to raise their hand and stand to ask a question.

Naomi Long: Sadly, this entire line of questioning today has been unhelpful towards encouraging support and confidence in policing.
As Members, we have an opportunity not just to reflect what happens in our communities but to lead change in them. It is incumbent on every one of us to show that leadership in what we say and do, particularly on sensitive issues around policing. All parties in the House that have had an opportunity to do so have nominated representatives to the Policing Board. They have engaged with policing in a constructive way in that forum. It is important that, when we come to the House, we continue to engage in a constructive way when discussing policing issues, because we want to encourage more people to come forward, create as reflective a police service as we can of our wider community and enhance acceptance of the police right across our community. It is in the interests of those whom we serve — their safety, security, health and well-being — that they have positive relationships with the PSNI.

Doug Beattie: I will go back to the original question about the promotion of confidence. Given the high-profile murder of Sarah Everard, has the Minister had many discussions with the police about how they can raise confidence for females who meet police officers when they are out on their own?

Naomi Long: We have had discussions about that issue. As you are aware, the PSNI is bringing forward its own strategy to tackle violence against women and girls, which will take forward the work that it already does in that space. As a result of the work that we are doing around the new domestic abuse offence, there is enhanced training throughout the PSNI. The Member will be aware, through his membership of the Justice Committee, that similar training is being rolled out in relation to the new stalking offence.
It is, of course, concerning when somebody in a position of authority and power abuses that power. Therefore, I have said, on the record, that it is important that those in the Police Service and in other positions of authority and power are held to the highest possible standards when it comes to their interactions with members of the public. That includes interactions with vulnerable women and girls, who are vulnerable only because there are predators in our community.

People Trafficking: Public Awareness

Matthew O'Toole: 4. Mr O'Toole asked the Minister of Justice what measures are being considered to raise public awareness of the signs that people are being trafficked by organised criminals. (AQO 2653/17-22)

Naomi Long: I know that every Assembly Member finds it abhorrent that slavery is happening in any form in Northern Ireland, but, sadly, it is. Raising public awareness to identify and help to eradicate modern slavery and human trafficking is therefore a key priority for my Department and the wider Executive.
My clear commitment to tackling modern slavery and human trafficking crimes is set out in the Northern Ireland 'Modern Slavery and Human Trafficking Strategy 2021-22', which was published earlier this year. A key part of its "prevent" strand is about ensuring that there is collaborative working and sharing of knowledge across strategic partners to identify best practice and to facilitate greater public awareness of modern slavery. My officials work with key statutory and non-statutory partners to maximise every opportunity to raise awareness through social media and information on nidirect. This year, we have also been able to support a number of projects that are working on these issues through the assets recovery community scheme. The organised crime task force (OCTF) annual report and threat assessment also sets out the actions taken to target and disrupt organised criminality and has a specific section on modern slavery.
As all Members know, Anti-Slavery Day was on 18 October 2021. My Department worked alongside partners to mark that day and to raise the profile of that important event by sharing and promoting social media content, through public engagement events and by illuminating council and civic buildings. For example, Belfast City Hall was lit up red this year. I also attended events organised by Flourish NI and Invisible Traffick, which raised awareness through creative and innovative projects. Those events were ultimately hopeful and inspiring despite the nature of these crimes and the impact on victims.
I am committed to taking every opportunity to raise awareness, sending the message that violations of human rights will not be tolerated, that criminals will be pursued and prevented from causing further harm, and that victims will be protected.

Matthew O'Toole: First, Minister, I should acknowledge that Dame Sara Thornton, the UK's Anti-Slavery Commissioner, is in the Building today.
The Group of Experts on Action against Trafficking (GRETA), which is part of the Council of Europe, said:
"Brexit has heightened the risk of exploitation for EU workers".
Given our geography, we in Northern Ireland are at particular risk of that happening. What specific actions is your Department taking to raise awareness and to take action to address the specific risks that we face? The strategy that you mentioned does not, I am afraid, say very much about the risks of EU exit. What is the Department doing in that regard?

Naomi Long: I am aware that Dame Sara Thornton is here today. I had a very constructive meeting with her yesterday, during which we looked at some of the emerging risk factors.
The Department takes seriously all organised crime and threats of organised crime and has assessed those threats in relation to Brexit. From a criminal's perspective, it is irrelevant whether the commodity that they are trafficking is illegal goods or human beings; the monetary value is all that matters. The work that we have been engaged in around disrupting those involved in organised crime who are trafficking any sort of goods across our borders or trying to exploit any loopholes resulting from Brexit is hugely important. It has to be said, however, that the policing arrangements, cooperation and future security partnerships that are currently in place have given us a much greater degree of continuity of service across the EU. Indeed, I met the Chair of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (LIBE) last week and will meet the Chair of the Committee on Legal Affairs (JURI) this week to keep them updated on and abreast of the challenges that we face and to keep abreast of the work that they are doing, alongside us, to tackle issues such as modern slavery, human trafficking and other organised crime. It is incredibly important that we do not lose that future security partnership, which forms part of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA), so I hope that those who are negotiating at the moment and who are considering how the protocol can be changed and implemented differently will give due consideration to the impact that that will have on crime.

Alex Maskey: That ends the period for listed questions. We now move on to 15 minutes of topical questions. Questions 3, 5 and 7 have been withdrawn.

Drink Spiking

Carál Ní Chuilín: T1. Ms Ní Chuilín asked the Minister of Justice whether she believes that the laws that cover drink spiking are adequate and, if not, to encourage a review of those laws, given that several Members have raised concerns about the increasing number of incidents of drink spiking, with recent reports of a young woman needing to be hospitalised in Derry. (AQT 1731/17-22)

Naomi Long: I thank the Member for her question. I have been extremely concerned by the recent reports of drink spiking and drug injecting, both locally, in the Foyle area in particular, and nationally. It is an extremely serious issue, with very damaging consequences for the individual. I want to reassure not just Members but the public that there are laws in place to deal with that type of behaviour in Northern Ireland. The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 makes it an offence to cause a person to engage in any type of sexual activity without consent. Where it is proven that drugs or alcohol were administered, there is an evidential presumption that the person did not consent. Depending on the circumstances of the case and the nature of the sexual assault, offenders can be liable to a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. There are also a number of offences under the Offences against the Person Act 1861 that could apply where drinks were spiked or drugs injected where the intention was not sexual assault but to cause harm in some other way.
I urge those affected to come forward at the earliest opportunity so that the matter can be properly investigated. The drugs that are often used in drink spiking metabolise very quickly in people's systems. If people feel themselves becoming dizzy, disorientated and woozy when they have not had much to drink, or if their reaction is out of proportion to their usual reaction to alcohol, it is important that they secure their glass, with whatever liquid is left in it, and report what has happened immediately to the bar and the PSNI. That is the best way in which to ensure, first, that people get the hospital treatment that they need to ensure that they are safe, given that those drugs can have long-term side effects, and, secondly, that the evidential chain is maintained in order to test for the drugs in their system and, indeed, in what they have been drinking.

Carál Ní Chuilín: I thank the Minister for her response. She outlined some of the physical and, indeed, psychological impacts that drink spiking can have. Again, it is carried out with the overwhelming intention in mind of sexual assault or rape, the majority of which offences are committed against women and girls.
Will the Minister agree that the issue could be examined as part of the strategy to prevent violence against women and girls? I am sure that she will also agree that it is terrible that, in the 21st century, we are having to educate, overwhelmingly, women and girls on how to protect themselves. The penalties for those offences should be the deterrent rather than the focus being on trying to teach women and girls how to be safe when they go out for a drink, a walk or something else. It is ridiculous.

Naomi Long: I completely agree with what the Member has said and with her sentiments. We will listen very carefully to victims, as well as to the police and other partners in the justice system. If there is a need for us to review the law if it is deemed to be inadequate in any shape or form in dealing with emerging patterns of behaviour, of course we are open to doing that, as we would always be.
The Member is right to say that it is not fair for society to transfer the responsibility for the safety of women and girls to women and girls. Women and girls are not raped because of women and girls. They are not raped because they have been drinking. They are not raped because of what they wear. They are raped because of rapists, so we need to tackle those who are the perpetrators of those crimes and not transfer responsibility for that kind of behaviour to the victims of those crimes. It is so important that women and girls, and everyone in our community, be alert to the risk but also that they be free to socialise without constantly having to be aware of predatory individuals who may take advantage of them.
I encourage people who are socialising in groups of friends in bars or wherever they go to watch out for the people around them, not just themselves. Watch out for people interfering with other people's drinks. Watch out for suspicious behaviour, and, more than just watching, do something about it. Report it, because you could be the difference between somebody being assaulted and not being assaulted. In a number of recent cases, the reason why those young women were not assaulted was that their friends got them to hospital, got them help as quickly as possible and protected them.

PSNI: Officer Numbers

Robin Newton: T2. Mr Newton asked the Minister of Justice to confirm the planned number of full-time PSNI officers, the number of part-time officers and the shortfall. (AQT 1732/17-22)

Naomi Long: I will write to the Member with the details of all those. The Member will know that the target for PSNI officers set out in the New Decade, New Approach (NDNA) agreement is 7,500. There is funding to raise the current complement from 7,000 to 7,100, which is why a recruitment campaign is starting today. It is my Department's role to try to secure funding for the remaining number of officers. The Member will also be aware of the Budget settlement and the announcements in England and Wales with respect to the number of additional police officers there. I am sure that he will be encouraged to know that I have written to the Finance Minister to ensure that, when it comes to Northern Ireland, we do not overlook the responsibility that we have to meet those NDNA targets as we move forward.

Robin Newton: I welcome the fact that the Minister will write to me on the PSNI full-time officers. Perhaps the Minister is able to answer the question on the shortfall in part-time officers at this moment in time.

Naomi Long: The Member asked both questions at once, and I said that I would return to him with the numbers. I do not have the complement of part-time officers, but I am happy to write to the Member to give him those figures. However, I remind him that he is at liberty to write to the Chief Constable, who is responsible for staffing. Whilst we provide the Chief Constable with funding, it is the Chief Constable who determines how many officers he has, in cooperation and collaboration with members of the Policing Board. It is not my job to dictate to the Chief Constable how many officers he employs.

Violence Against Women and Girls

Kellie Armstrong: T4. Ms Armstrong asked the Minister of Justice whether she agrees that it has never been so important for all of us to do what we can to end violence against women in Northern Ireland because, to return to the issue of drinks being spiked and young people being jabbed in the arm with some sort of drug, as the mother of a teenage girl, she is extremely concerned that this is happening a time when nightclubs and so on are reopening. (AQT 1734/17-22)

Naomi Long: I completely agree with the Member. I know that she will have listened carefully to my answer to the first topical question. The very specific experience of direct and indirect violence that women and girls face in society is an issue that is extremely important to me and one that I have prioritised. It is for that reason that I recommended a cross-departmental violence against women and girls strategy to the Executive. The Executive Office will then take that cross-cutting issue forward, along with cross-departmental cooperation, to ensure that we support effective delivery. I will do all that I can to support the strategy.
I have raised the issue of drug spiking at the Executive. I have also asked for an update at the next Executive meeting on progress with respect to the women and girls strategy. I have also listened to victims and have been working with partners such as the PSNI on the issue of drinks being spiked and will be discussing it further with the Chief Constable when I meet him this afternoon. Again, I urge anyone who believes that their drink may have been spiked or that they may have been injected to report it to the police. The Chief Constable will update me on his work to address violence against women and girls, and, as I said, I have asked the Executive for an update later this week.
During this mandate, I have brought forward an ambitious agenda of activity to protect those most at risk of violence, including the Domestic Abuse and Civil Proceedings Act (Northern Ireland) 2021, the Protection from Stalking Bill and changes to implement recommendations in the Gillen review. That has included discussions with a wide range of stakeholders. While many of the measures will affect everyone in society, they will disproportionately benefit women and girls due to the gendered nature of many of the offences.

Kellie Armstrong: I thank the Minister for her answer and the work that she is doing. As I mentioned, I am the mother of a teenage girl. One issue that has come to light for me is that, when she walks home, she faces indirect violence through street harassment. Street harassment seems to come up more and more often for young women. The Minister will be aware of the ongoing harassment of women outside the John Mitchel Place clinic in Newry, amongst other locations. Does she agree that buffer zones or safe-access zones are necessary to protect young women who are accessing healthcare, as well the staff who provide those services?

Naomi Long: I thank the Member for her question. There are two distinct elements to it. There is the broader issue of street harassment, which is incredibly difficult to tackle through a criminal-justice lens, but is one on which I am working with others who are campaigning in this space to see whether more can be done to protect women from unwarranted abuse in the street. It is an incredibly frightening experience for young women to be approached by, often, quite bawdy individuals who shout abuse or make lewd comments as the women go about their daily lives. It is completely disrespectful. We need to target that.
I am also fully aware of the ongoing protests that are being held outside healthcare facilities across Northern Ireland, and the disruptive impact that they are causing, not only to vulnerable pregnant people who seek to access abortion services, but to those who seek general medical care and healthcare staff who are trying to carry out their duties. No one should have to face that kind of harassment. Everyone has a right to protest, but, equally, everyone should have the right to access healthcare free from harassment and intimidation. Healthcare workers should be able to go to their work free from that type of violence.
I am conscious that all trusts are reporting significant challenges in dealing with that issue, which appears to be growing. I am also concerned that some trusts are saying that they are having difficulty resolving the issue in the location where abortion services are delivered, and that that creates real disruption to their patients. I had hoped that we would be in a position to table an amendment to what was the justice (miscellaneous provisions) Bill in order to provide for exclusion zones. Disappointingly, we could not get Executive agreement on its introduction. However, I support Clare Bailey's private Member's Bill on safe-access zones, and will continue to assist its progress in whatever way I can.

Prisons: Compassionate Release Arrangements

Mark Durkan: T6. Mr Durkan asked the Minister of Justice to state whether the experience of a prisoner from his constituency is common practice or COVID-related and whether she agrees that it does not sound very compassionate, given that although the man was very grateful to have been granted temporary compassionate release at the weekend that enabled him to spend precious hours with his father as he passed away, on his return to prison, he was handcuffed, strip-searched, isolated in a dirty cell, with meals being pushed under a door to him and he may not have been able to shower, and bearing in mind that this man suffers from poor mental health, getting his medication has been a handling. (AQT 1736/17-22)

Naomi Long: That does not reflect my experience nor, indeed, reports that I have had of the self-isolation units in the Northern Ireland Prison Service (NIPS). I must say that it does not tie in with what I have seen and witnessed of the service that is provided by the Prison Service. It has a responsibility to, as far as possible, mitigate the risks of COVID-19 for the whole prison population. Having safeguards in place in prison establishments is important, given that prisons are dynamic residential and communal settings. As such, they are highly prone to outbreaks of COVID-19 as the result of the importation of even one single case.
The Prison Service has a number of processes in place to mitigate the ongoing risk that is presented by COVID-19 in the prison environment. That includes placing prisoners in isolation when they are newly committed or temporarily released from custody, and they are advised of that before they leave custody. The measures that NIPS has introduced have been largely successful in preventing any widespread infection amongst staff or prisoners. Using isolation is consistent with guidance from the World Health Organization and the Public Health Agency, and has been a very effective safeguard in preventing the transmission of COVID-19 into the prison environment.
Since 25 October, the Northern Ireland Prison Service has reduced the period of isolation from 14 days to 10 days for individuals who are double vaccinated, depending on their receiving a negative PCR test at day 2 and day 8. That change has been supported by the Public Health Agency. During their time in isolation, people in custody have access to healthcare, legal representation and showers, and can maintain family contact. The Prison Service takes very seriously the safety of staff and all those people who are placed in its care. It is committed to doing everything possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19 in prisons.
Obviously, I cannot discuss individual cases. As with the restrictions that apply to the rest of society, in common with the Northern Ireland Executive's approach, we want to relax those that apply to prisons and people in our care in a way that is timely, safe and sustainable. If the Member has particular concerns, I encourage him to speak in the first instance to the Director General of the Prison Service.

Alex Maskey: Time is up. I ask Members to take their ease.

Question for Urgent Oral Answer — Health

Pressures on Emergency Departments and the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service.

Alex Maskey: Mrs Pam Cameron has given notice of a question for urgent oral answer to the Minister of Health. I remind Members that, if they wish to ask a supplementary question, they should rise continually in their place. The Member who tabled the question will automatically be called to ask a supplementary.

Pam Cameron: Mrs Cameron asked the Minister of Health, in light of the unprecedented demand and waiting times for patients and the risk to life, to outline the actions he is taking to mitigate pressures on emergency departments and the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service (NIAS).

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for tabling the question. Our emergency departments are operating significantly above capacity. The pressures on our trusts during the summer and into the autumn were unprecedented, often having been akin to the most difficult winter pressures previously witnessed. That is what makes the situation so serious.
As Members will recall, I stated on 22 September that a hospital emergency department could be forced to close as a result of the pressures.
Obviously, I do not want that to happen, and nor does anyone working in the trusts. However, we must realise that we are facing levels of pressure as never before.
For several years before the pandemic, too many people were being forced to wait for over four hours and 12 hours in emergency departments. The current pressures have been exacerbated by the pandemic, but they were not caused by the pandemic alone. On 22 October, I made a statement to the Assembly that set out my approach to winter preparedness. I have also published individual trust winter and surge delivery plans. All that has provided information on what actions have been taken to support our emergency departments through this autumn and winter.
The Health and Social Care Board (HSCB) continually works with the Public Health Agency (PHA), the Northern Ireland Ambulance Service and the five trusts to address waiting times at our emergency departments with enhanced flow through the system and the facilitation of timely discharge. The Health and Social Care Board is also coordinating smoothing to manage our Ambulance Service flows better.
Following a further allocation in the recent October monitoring round, which was confirmed and announced on Friday past, I am investing a total of £21·2 million in the No More Silos action plan this year. The key initiatives that will be supported will manage the unscheduled pressures. That includes Phone First in urgent care centres, the timely discharge initiative, ambulance handover bays and Hospital at Home.
Phone First is currently available in the Northern, Southern and Western Trusts, with an interim service in the Downe Hospital in the South Eastern Trust. The service was also recently introduced in Lagan Valley Hospital. From 1 December 2020, more than 134,000 patients have utilised the service. Of those, 29,500 — 22% — were discharged with advice to refer to their GP. Around 60,400 — roughly 45% — were scheduled for an appointment at an emergency department or the urgent care centre alternative pathway. Some 40,300 patients — 30% — were referred directly to an emergency department.
I recently announced a package of £5·5 million to support service delivery in primary care throughout the winter. That includes £3·8 million to support additional patient care, covering general practice and out-of-hours services, and up to £1·7 million to improve telephone infrastructure. Again, those measures will help to alleviate pressures on our emergency departments. However, I must stress that we all have a role to play to support our emergency departments and our wider health system. I encourage everyone to take up the COVID-19 vaccine, the booster and the flu vaccine when offered. There is a real tangible step that we can all take to support our emergency departments now and into the winter.
Finally, it is important to recognise that the issues that we are seeing in our emergency departments cannot be resolved with one-off non-recurrent funding. What is needed is recurrent investment over a number of years to improve capacity and bring forward meaningful change.

Pam Cameron: I thank the Speaker for accepting this question for urgent oral answer and the Minister for coming to the Chamber today.
This is not about party politics; this is about people. On all sides of the House, we need to be in this together. We need to work together to fix this. Through the media, we have heard an ED consultant from Altnagelvin Hospital apologise for the appalling service over the Halloween weekend due to the huge pressure and lack of capacity. Yesterday, the Northern Trust stated:
"We are on the cusp of an emergency department in Northern Ireland having to close its doors."
What action is the Minister taking to ensure that EDs remain open for life-saving emergency services? For example, has he asked for any further assistance from the military for EDs or other areas of the health service to free up vital resource? Is there any further update on the most recent workforce appeal?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for her comments. The two consultants to whom you referred, from Altnagelvin and the Northern Trust, were reiterating and reinforcing the statement that I made on 22 September. We have seen this coming; we knew where this winter was going to take us. That is why I made a bid in the October monitoring round for over £20 million to support the No More Silos structure, which predates the COVID-19 pandemic. It is about the work that needs to be done to direct and rectify the challenges that we have already seen in our EDs. Unfortunately, the pressures that we are seeing now are not new. They are a direct result of underinvestment in the health service, both financially and in the workforce over the past 10 years.
That money will bring forward specific functions, but I stress that the money became available to me only on Friday when the monitoring round was agreed. The money will be spent on increasing Phone First in urgent care centres, the timely discharge initiative, ambulance handover bays and Hospital at Home.
Those are the steps that we have taken directly.
We have not made an additional request for Military Aid to the Civil Authorities (MACA) support, because, as the Member knows, that serving unit returned only a week ago and is not currently available for redeployment. We monitor continuously whether and when MACA is available and how we can use it. I spoke with some of the serving medics before they returned home. Hearing phrases like, "I was glad to be here to be able to support my own in their time of need" was testament to the additional service and support that they provided to our health service.

Alex Maskey: Before I call the next Member to speak, I remind Members to go directly to their question. A dozen Members still want to contribute, and they cannot all do so within the limited time available to us.

Colm Gildernew: Minister, in June, I asked about the publication of the report of the review of urgent and emergency care. I have not received an answer. Will you advise when the report will be published?
Also, has the time not arrived to convene a health summit, as requested by the royal colleges and unions, to get into one room everyone who, through their awareness of the problems here, can be part of the solution?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member. The royal colleges and trade unions have requested a summit. Since that request was made, I have met most of them, individually as royal colleges or through the trade union workforce structure. I indicated to them, and to some Executive colleagues, that I am minded to do that once I see an ongoing Budget settlement for Health. It would be premature to bring everybody into the room at this stage when, in two to three weeks' time, we will find out what our long-term funding will be. That is the wider discussion that needs to be had at that health summit.
I expect to see the updated report of the urgent and emergency care review shortly. It blends into the No More Silos work that was instigated a number of years ago but has been reliant on piecemeal, hand-to-mouth funding. As I have said many times in the Chamber, that is no way to resolve the structural challenges that our health service faces after over 10 years of underinvestment.

Daniel McCrossan: Minister, you are well aware of the pressures that exist in GP surgeries. Phone lines have been jammed, and, as a result, more people have been presenting at A&E and creating a crisis there. We saw at the weekend how that unfolded. Has the Minister given any thought to putting in place a system, similar to that in England, of "walk-in clinics", where you walk in, be triaged there and then, and it is determined whether you go to a hospital, see a GP, a nurse or a mental health consultant? It takes away that pressure, and it worked quite well in England. Has the Minister given any consideration to that system?

Robin Swann: We consider all systems as they are developed elsewhere. However, our challenge is always that of workforce and who is able to deliver the service in a timely fashion. There is no point in displacing a patient from one section to another. That is why we introduced the Phone First system. In my original answer, I told the Member how many people utilise that system, which allows them to be directed to the correct place at the correct time.
In the week ending 15 October, our total practice teams — multidisciplinary teams (MDTs) and GPs — had consultations with 233,412 people, which is 116 per thousand of our population, and over 50% of those were face to face. I have often said in the Chamber that the narrative of our GPs not being open is incorrect.
Yesterday, the Member stated in the House that I had no plan to tackle elective care. I refer him to the elective care strategy that was published at the start of June. It might inform him of the work that is being undertaken, but it needs funded, and that requires cross-community, cross-Executive support.

Alan Chambers: I especially welcome the recent announcement of additional funding for No More Silos. Primary care has a huge role to play before people make the decision to present at an emergency department. A well-resourced primary care network is therefore essential.
Will the Minister provide an update on the number of GPs coming through the training pipeline currently? I once again place on record my continued appreciation for the efforts of all our health and social care staff.

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for his question. On the GP workforce pipeline, I reiterate that, a few weeks ago, I announced £5·5 million of additional funding to support primary care through the winter.
It has often been said in the House, and this is supported by all parties, that the crisis in the workforce that we are currently experiencing is not solely because of COVID. It is due to the underinvestment that there has been in our health service in the past 10 years, not just in bricks and mortar but in the people working in it.
My Department has continued to invest in our GP workforce, and, in recognition of the increase in demand for primary care services, there has been a steady expansion in the number of GP training programme places over recent years. That has culminated in an intake of 111 students for the 2021 programme. That represents a 71% increase on the 2015 intake, when there were only 65 trainees. Although that investment in the workforce has seen the overall number of GPs working in Northern Ireland increase, more GPs are choosing to work less than full-time hours, with the result being that the overall GP workforce, as measured in whole-time equivalence, has decreased by 8% since 2014. That having been recognised, I have asked for a review of GP trainee places to make sure that there are enough GPs to meet our primary care needs into the future. I reiterate, however, that it will take time to get those medical professionals in place.

Kellie Armstrong: Minister, given the pressure on emergency departments and the predictions of a winter crisis in our hospitals, will you explain why you were content to support the reopening of nightclubs? I understand that nightclubs are under a lot of pressure and that they need to open at some stage, but, without any mandatory mitigations in place, and having witnessed the queues at the weekend at our hospitals, does you still believe that it was the right decision?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for her question, although it is slightly off the subject of the original question. I will refer back to the autumn and winter contingency plan, which all Ministers supported. It refers to the fact that the development of appropriate enabling infrastructure to underpin a system of COVID status certificates is under way. As the Member will be aware, and as I said earlier, we launched that yesterday. The Department of Health has committed to bringing forward the domestic COVID certificate. Where and when it will be deployed is a policy directive for the entire Executive to make.

Jim Allister: Is part of the problem not the lack of coordination on the handover of patients from the ambulance to the hospital? We have cases in which ambulances sit for hours with patients on a trolley, but if they were to be transferred to a hospital trolley, the ambulance could get back on duty. Do we not need proper coordination?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for his question. It is a valid point, and one that I have seen in operation where we have the hospital ambulance liaison officer (HALO) system in place, through which a member of the NIAS is in the emergency department in order to coordinate the handover. Although patients may be transferred to what the Member calls a hospital trolley, they remain patients of the Ambulance Service until they are fully integrated into the trust and all the necessary checks are able to be undertaken. That handover is therefore being done.
I referred to this in my original answer, but one of the changes that we have seen recently in the Ambulance Service is "smoothing", which is a clunky term. A patient is taken to an ED that has a shorter waiting time rather than to the closest ED. Doing that smoothes out the pressures that our EDs are witnessing and releases the ambulances quicker than they would have been released had they simply gone to the closest ED. The Northern Ireland Ambulance Service covers the entirety of Northern Ireland and, as a result, is not constricted by the make-up of the five geographical trusts.

Gerry Carroll: The situation faced by those who work in and rely on EDs is stark and concerning. I am concerned that we will keep on doing what has been done and get the same results again.
What proportion of the new money that the Minister announced is being spent on the private sector, private organisations and private healthcare?

Robin Swann: The £21·2 million that was announced to support No More Silos is solely for the health service.
It is to support the work that needs to be done, as indicated by No More Silos, with regard to how patients are transferred through the entirety of our system. It is all about investing in the Northern Ireland health service. That includes Phone First, urgent care centres, the timely discharge initiatives, ambulance handover bays and Hospital at Home.

Carál Ní Chuilín: I thank the Minister for coming to the House. With respect, I do not think that anybody who has been waiting on a hospital trolley for 30 hours is going to understand what No More Silos means. I think that we all accept that, and I am not being pernickety but, if the £21·2 million is for emergency care, say so, because families are sitting in cars outside hospitals in which their elderly parents are waiting on a trolley for 30 hours to get a bed. We need to be clear.
I ask the Minister to be mindful of another thing. At the weekend, I spoke to a nurse at the children's hospital in the Royal who had worked in Africa. She said to me that both the emergency department and the children's hospital in the Royal were akin to the scenes that she saw in Zambia. Our health and social care staff are under massive pressure. If they are getting additional support through that £21·2 million —

Alex Maskey: Time is up.

Carál Ní Chuilín: — I want the Minister to clear that up.

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for her question. To be clear, the £21·2 million is for investment in No More Silos, which was the Department's strategy before I became Minister to address pressures in our emergency departments. I will make it clear to the Member: that investment is going towards those steps —

Carál Ní Chuilín: Is it for nurses? Is it for doctors? Is it for beds?

Alex Maskey: Order.

Robin Swann: It is for all those services that are actually there.

Carál Ní Chuilín: [Inaudible.]

Alex Maskey: Order.

Robin Swann: It is for early discharge, first and urgent care centres, ambulance handover bays and Hospital at Home. It will support the entirety of the system as it works through. However, that is only part of the monitoring round moneys that I got on Friday. That bit specifically addresses the problem that was raised in the initial question for urgent oral answer. I got £70 million that will go to giving our health service workers the 3% pay rise that was indicated by the independent monitoring body that looks at that matter. It allows me to take that to the next step as well.
Additional investment is needed. I have said that many times from this place, but monitoring round money does not solve anything when it comes at this time of the year to be spent in March to address a systemic problem that has been getting worse over the past 10 years, rather than doing the structural reform that we all know needs to be done now. We need that recurrent budget, should it be for three years or five years, to give us the surety to make the transformations that we need to make.

Trevor Clarke: Minister, in one of your comments, you said that you saw this coming. I think that we all saw it coming. I know of an infant who a GP refused to see on three occasions over six weeks. The parents took that child to A&E, and the A&E doctor was appalled that the GP had refused to see the child. How many examples are there where GPs refused to see children or tried to diagnose them over the phone, and parents decided to take their children to A&E, where A&E doctors told them that the GP should have seen them in the first instance?

Robin Swann: If that is a specific case, I encourage the Member to either contact the Patient and Client Council or refer it directly to the trust on an individual basis so that that case can be looked into. In relation to the narrative about GPs not being open, I reiterate to the Member that £5·5 million will be invested in our GP primary care structures over the winter. I also refer the Member to a comment that I made earlier about the number of people who are being seen by GPs. In the week commencing 15 October, 233,000 people came forward for a GP consultation with regard to how they could be best directed.

Matthew O'Toole: Minister, the strongest reason for vaccination certification, which my party has called for, specifically in hospitality settings, is the fact that our health service is close to buckling. As we have discussed today, it is buckling. One reason that was given by some, including you, for not recommending vaccine certification was that the app was not ready. As you have said today, the app is ready. Will you now advise the Executive to move speedily to require vaccine certification in specific settings in order to protect our health service?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for that point, which his party continually raises. We are here to talk about emergency departments, but the SDLP wants to go in a different direction. On certification — I am sure that his Minister has briefed him on this, given that she seems to have briefed others on it — he will be aware that the head of the Northern Ireland Civil Service has said that that policy development work is being taken under its direction. That is where it lies. I have always been clear on that. Health is supporting them in that.
The Executive's autumn and winter strategic plan, which was supported by all Ministers, clearly stipulates that the initial work in developing the app should be done. We delivered that yesterday. Legislation on what it will look like is being drafted and prepared. The Member and his Minister are aware that the timeline for drafting that has been laid out. As I indicated in the earlier debate on the regulations, a small team in my Department has been left to draft those regulations on behalf of the entire Executive.

Paula Bradshaw: Minister, you will be aware that the Royal College of Emergency Medicine is keen to see the introduction of the Getting it Right First Time programme, which relates to the sharing of clinical best practice across EDs. Can you give us an update on that? Also, will your Department work with the Public Health Agency on its messaging this winter so that people go to the right place for their healthcare?

Robin Swann: In response to your last point, very much so. We want to make sure that people go to the right place to be seen. That is part of the benefit of Phone First: before somebody presents to an ED, they have the opportunity to engage in that way. One of the directions of travel in No More Silos is that we have a single number for the entirety of Northern Ireland, akin to the 111 service in England and Wales. That amalgamation across the entirety of the service would take some of the pressure off out-of-hours.
The Member will be aware, if she has been talking to the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, of the review of urgent and emergency care. Unfortunately, the publication of the report that sets out the findings and recommendations of that review was delayed by the pandemic. However, I plan to publish the report and consult on its findings shortly, because it ties in with the recommendations from No More Silos.

Órlaithí Flynn: Minister, you said that 233,000 people had been seen by their GP via an appointment, which is great. Does the Department have evidence that the lack of GP access or provision contributes to the crisis in urgent and emergency care?

Robin Swann: We do not have any direct evidence of that. I know that your party conducted a GP survey, and I thank it for sharing the findings with me. Of those 233,000 people, 50% were seen face to face. The rest were triaged by telephone or the online service, and the GP directed them to where was most appropriate. That work continues to be progressed. Again, we are putting additional moneys into telephone and online consultation so that people do not have to wait to get an initial consultation with their GP.

Deborah Erskine: I thank the Minister for coming to the House. Does he agree that the deficit in GP cover for out-of-hours is adding to the pressures faced by emergency departments? What is his Department doing to address that? For example, a constituent of mine tried to access their GP out-of-hours service on Thursday, but, I understand, there was no GP out-of-hours cover, hence they attended an ED on Saturday night.

Robin Swann: I thank the Member. I am aware of the continuing pressures faced by GP out-of-hours services across Northern Ireland, with increasing demand and difficulties in filling GP shifts. An effective out-of-hours service is a priority for me. My Department continues to work closely with the Health and Social Care Board and the out-of-hours providers to address the current challenges. Service improvements continue to be introduced. Those include adjusting the skills mix of clinicians; increasing levels of nurse triage provision; employing more nurse practitioners, paramedics and pharmacists; and increasing flexibility in shift times. My Department continues to work closely with the Health and Social Care Board, the out-of-hours providers and key stakeholders to address the challenges in the out-of-hours service across Northern Ireland and to redesign it in line with the recommendations in No More Silos. The aim of that is to have a more stable, sustainable and integrated service that will better meet the needs of the whole population. That will include consideration of a regional model for delivery of the service.

Justin McNulty: I thank the Minister for coming to the House to answer this important question. Minister, what hope can you give to patients and the families of patients who are waiting for cancer operations, hip replacements, scans, gall bladder operations or consultant appointments?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for raising the issue. In regard to the elective care strategy that was published in June, once again I needed money from monitoring round bids to fund it. That is why I was thankful to the Finance Minister for funding my bids for Health and not diluting them in any shape or form. That allows me to continue with the work in the elective care strategy.
Over 65,000 people have been seen through waiting list initiatives; 1,800 people have been seen through mega-clinics; and another 4,000 have had preoperative (PO) assessments through GP federations. The hope that I can give is supported by the funding of monitoring round bids that I have made for my elective care strategy.

Mervyn Storey: The Northern Trust has the lowest number of intensive care beds and a business case for 49 additional beds that has been sitting for months. In its winter plan, it states that the initial projections show a potential shortfall of over 200 beds across the acute hospital sites in the Northern Trust. Given all that, what practical steps is the Minister taking to ensure that the situation with ambulances that he described is brought to an end by the provision of beds in the hospitals?

Robin Swann: I thank the Member for his question. He makes a valid point, and I have often said here that it is not just about investment in infrastructure — bricks and mortar or physical beds — but about investment in the staff that it takes to support those beds. That does not just mean the doctors and the nurses; it means the porters and the administrative workers who are there to support them. When this place came back in January 2020, the promise of an additional 300 nursing training places over a three-year period was welcome. That increase saw the number of nursing training places rise to 1,325 a year, but, like everything else, it takes time for those nurses to come through to support the beds.
There are a capital bids in from the Northern Trust on how it can expand. As the Member is aware, as a constituency MLA and the Minister of Health, I am supportive of those bids at all times. The Member will see that through the monitoring round bids that I continue to make to improve long-term investment in our health service. It cannot be done with short-term, non-recurrent budgets, which is why I look forward to having a longer and sustained budget that allows capital and revenue. That will mean that we can do the planning and recoup some of the underinvestment of the past 10 years.

Alex Maskey: That concludes this item of business. I ask Members to take their ease until we move to the next item on the Order Paper.
(Mr Deputy Speaker [Mr Beggs] in the Chair)

Private Members' Business

Housing Crisis

Mark Durkan: I beg to move
That this Assembly recognises the severe impact that the housing crisis, which has made housing unaffordable for many and placed home ownership out of reach for a generation of young people, has had on people and families across Northern Ireland; notes that the average price of housing in Northern Ireland has increased by 30% since 2016; further notes that the cost of renting has increased by 25% since 2016 and this is having a material impact on the capacity of people to save the deposit needed to secure a home; regrets that the First Minister and deputy First Minister have yet to publish a Programme for Government with a specific housing outcome, supplemented with relevant indicators; and calls on the Minister for Communities to increase the supply of social and affordable housing in recognition that the security of a home has an immediate impact on the health and well-being of citizens.

Roy Beggs: The Business Committee has agreed to allow one hour and 30 minutes for the debate. The proposer of the motion will have 10 minutes to propose and a further 10 minutes to make a winding-up speech. All other Members who are called to speak will have five minutes.

Mark Durkan: I propose this SDLP motion on the deepening housing crisis, specifically the numbers of people who have been displaced from an increasingly costly private rented sector onto a shamefully long social housing waiting list, which now has 45,000 applicants. An overhaul of the housing system is required to ensure that every family and individual in the North can access a sustainable, affordable and safe home. Access to a safe and secure home is the foundation on which people build their lives. It is intertwined with health, education, mental well-being and job opportunities. There is not one policy area that housing does not affect. However, the current rate of social housing build is woefully inadequate. It is denying people the basic right to a roof over their head.
At present, there are almost 45,000 individuals and families in housing need, with nearly 31,000 of those determined to be in housing stress. A simple assessment of the situation means that, at the current rate of supply, it would take in excess of 34 years to clear the current waiting list. That wait will be even more profound for applicants with disabilities, considering that just 164 social housing bungalows were built in the past five years, despite over 8,000 applicants awaiting ground-floor accommodation. That is staggering. We cannot place further barriers on people with disabilities, especially when it comes to securing suitable housing that would permit some semblance of independence. The housing system as it stands is denying dignity to people and their families.
The housing crisis predates COVID and the Minister. The motion is not an attack on any person or party. It is clear that the crisis has deepened significantly over the past 18 months, as evidenced by the 25% increase in applications. My constituency of Foyle has the highest number of social housing applicants across the North, standing at over 4,500. That represents an increase of over 800 people during the pandemic. Housing is a historical issue here. It remains the case that many families and children are left without a place to call home or find themselves stuck in overcrowded properties that are wholly unsuitable to their needs.
Many have already given up hope of finding a home of their own.
Housing is yet another example of the deprivation that people here have had to endure. We are witnessing a new generation of children who believe that housing, rather than a basic right for all, is something that has to be fought for, tooth and nail. It is important that we never lose sight of the lives beyond the statistics. I have no doubt that many Members will have lost sleep over harrowing housing cases involving their constituents, particularly in recent months. I know that I have, and we are just listening to it; people are living it.
One example that comes to mind is a young, single mother who is a front-line health worker and who worked tirelessly throughout the pandemic to care for COVID patients. She visited my office between shifts, exhausted and broken by the toll of the past year. Her young children have just about come to grips with their anxieties about their mum's safety at work, yet here she was, pleading for help as a private renter unable to meet rising rent costs. She was left with no option but to leave her home due to affordability issues. The children were split between the homes of family and friends. That young mother had no option but to resort to sofa surfing after long shifts at the hospital. Where is the fairness here? How can I tell that family, who have already been through so much, that they need to be patient, to build up their housing points and to hope and hope again that a property becomes available?
That case is far from unique, and the link between poverty and low-income renters is well established. The private rented sector in the North is the fastest growing across these islands, accounting for 19% of all housing here, with many being forced into the sector by a lack of social housing stock. It is important to note that single-parent families who are renting privately are the most at risk of poverty, disproportionately affecting women. They, too, will be more adversely impacted on by the cuts to universal credit, the local housing allowance cap and the economic impact of COVID — for example, working reduced hours or taking time off to care for children.
A Housing Executive report highlighted that private rented sector households in receipt of housing benefit were more at risk of poverty than social tenants — 56% compared with 41% — further underscoring the importance of protections for private renters, including addressing the wider issue of welfare support and identifying the most at-risk households in terms of fuel poverty. In the context of rising living costs, support mechanisms need to be stepped up in the time ahead to prevent poverty. All of this contributes to the loss of accommodation and pushes more and more people into homelessness.
I am sure that the Private Tenancies Bill will help, in part, to regulate the sector and provide wide-ranging protections, but it is imperative that that legislation is passed swiftly and is backed up with adequate welfare protections, including the now, almost mythical, bedroom tax mitigations and lifting the cap on the local housing allowance in order to reflect rising rental costs. That so many private renters have been forced into the sector in the first place because of insufficient housing stock is testament to the need for an urgent housing supply strategy for the North. Yet, as already outlined, tackling growing levels of housing need goes far beyond just building homes. The focus should be on creating sustainable and affordable tenancies. More than that, the Executive must do more to support the younger generation to get on to the property ladder.
Tackling this crisis demands creative thinking. The housing supply strategy and the Private Tenancies Bill will play their part, but drastic action must be taken before housing need spirals even further out of control. People have been waiting long enough, and vague words and promises mean little to those in need of a home. Co-ownership has been supported by the Executive as a means of helping people to afford new homes. We support that, but we think that more work needs to be done to explore which levers at our disposal can be creatively used to increase housing supply and reduce housing stress.
Previously, I raised the need for a mortgage support scheme. Many homeowners are struggling to pay their mortgage. We spent this morning discussing unsustainable increases in the cost of living and the economic carnage of COVID. By helping people to stay in their home, we will keep them off our ever-growing housing lists, and we will save families from the trauma of homelessness. I would like to hear from the Minister whether such a scheme has been considered or looked at and what work is being done to bring empty properties back to life as homes for families and individuals.
What work is being done to identify and eradicate abuse of the social housing system, where homes have been allocated but not occupied and, in some instances, even sublet? That practice does exist, and it is far from a victimless crime.
We welcome the Minister's stated commitment to, and vision for, housing. She deserves credit for that vision. We support the removal, which the Minister wants, of the impediments to the Housing Executive's building new homes. The right-to-buy scheme ended just last week for housing associations. We cannot afford to keep haemorrhaging scarce social housing stock. Will the Minister give us a wee update on her work to end the right to buy Housing Executive properties?
It is an indelible stain on the Executive's record that the Programme for Government, with a specific housing outcome, is yet to be published. It would have gone a long way to preventing homelessness and would have provided assurances during this precarious period. How can we tell families waiting in desperation that the leadership here has not seen fit to make it a priority?
Improving access to housing goes hand in hand with supporting mental well-being for our citizens. It needs to be a priority for this Executive and those hereafter as we emerge from the fog of COVID. We must unite to ensure that Executive strategies are as comprehensive as they need to be and that our institutions remain stable in order to deliver them and much-needed positive change. I ask Members to support the motion.

Ciara Ferguson: I support today's motion, which is fitting, given that it will be a year tomorrow that our Minister outlined in the Assembly the most ambitious and biggest shake-up of housing in the North since 1971, which is the biggest in my lifetime and, I think, in the lifetime of everybody present this afternoon.
Our Communities Minister, Deirdre Hargey, has not only laid the strong foundation for a much-needed revival of the housing sector but has made sure that we are all together, planning strategically for the future to ensure that every household has access to a good-quality, affordable and sustainable home appropriate to its needs.
At the beginning of the pandemic, it was Deirdre Hargey who not only stepped up to protect renters from eviction but introduced the first of many proposed pieces of legislation, in the form of the Private Tenancies Bill, which proposes not only to ban rent increases in annual contracts but to extend the notice-to-quit period for tenants, to reduce the cost of heating homes for families and workers, to prevent deposits being in excess of one month's rent, and to provide for electrical fire and carbon safety standards in the social and private rented sector. All of those are firm starting points on which we can all expand.
We will see the Housing Executive with the power to begin building homes again. Our Finance Minister, Conor Murphy, has allocated £162 million — the biggest housing budget in a decade — to the Housing Executive to build even more homes. Work has started on over 2,400 homes, smashing the building target by 30%. There has been increased support for co-ownership over the past year, and that has enabled the organisation to help an additional 400 families between last May and this coming March.
We currently have the Department for Communities' consultation on intermediate rents, which is looking at alternative avenues to home ownership that are genuinely accessible to and affordable for workers and families. In addition, the Department is leading on the development of the housing supply strategy, which our Minister is bringing to the Executive. The strategy will provide the long-term basis for sustainable improvements for the entire housing market, with a focus on equality, sustainability and increasing housing supply and housing options for those in greatest need.
Over almost the past two decades, the number of people in housing stress has risen by over 1,000 a year. The lack of social and affordable homes has had an impact on students, on young professionals, on workers unable to afford repairs to their homes, on families and on older, more-vulnerable groups and is driving more and more people into insecure, unsuitable accommodation.
The status quo is not an option, and Sinn Féin has been vocal in its support for a stand-alone, specific outcome on housing in the Programme for Government, supplemented with indicators to provide a continuous, specific focus on ensuring that every household has access to good, affordable and sustainable homes that are appropriate to their needs. That remains our position. That was a commitment in New Decade, New Approach (NDNA), and that remains the ask of our housing bodies, which work day and daily in the area, including Homeless Connect, Housing Rights and the Federation of Housing Associations.
The importance of constructive cross-collaboration in this area cannot be overemphasised, and the all-party group on homelessness, which was established this year and which I was delighted to be able to attend, showcases the importance of developing policy in the area with the lived experience of individuals and families experiencing housing difficulties and homelessness. That should be at the heart of everything that we do.
Tackling our housing crisis and ending homelessness for our most vulnerable citizens and for all must be a priority for every Member of the Assembly. Equality in housing cannot wait. It is a moral imperative and is fundamental to delivering a more equitable society post COVID.

Paul Frew: Housing is a fundamental. Where else can we go for safety if we cannot go home? There is an issue that every MLA in this place, either in the Chamber at the minute or outside it, must see when they are out and about meeting constituents and knocking doors, and that is the state of some of our housing. If you do not see that, you are spending too much time here. I see a stock that is deteriorating year in, year out. There have been positives. We can all talk about positives in our areas, and that is good, but so many are still left homeless because their home is not fit for purpose.
We talk a lot here about supporting health and spending on health. It is good, especially in the short term, that we can give more money to health so that people who use the health service get the service that they deserve, but what about spending money to keep people out of hospital? What about investing in people's welfare to make sure that they remain healthy so that they do not need the health service at that acute end? It sounds novel. We all talk about it, but do we do anything about it and do we really see action? It is hard to prove the value for money of preventative spend, but that does not mean that it is not worthwhile.
We need to get to the point where we serve people's interests best by spending money up front. One way to do that is to invest in housing and construction. There needs to be a concerted effort to do that. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Mark Durkan, who moved the motion, said that it would not be an attack on anyone. To be fair, I agree with him in that regard. Housing is such a fundamental issue that it should be an Executive-wide issue and should be part of the Programme for Government. There are so many items and issues that impinge on housing, not least the water and sewerage capacity problem that we all face at present.
I want to talk about the positives in my constituency of North Antrim, particularly Ballymena, where, over the last number of years, we have seen advancements in brownfield sites in our town centre and have had social housing built. However, that leads to another problem that affects people's standard of living when they move into the houses. There is something fundamentally flawed in our housing allocation system whereby, when we build a new block of social houses — flats, apartments or whatever they may be — we allocate those homes all at once, take the top names from the list and move everyone in at the same time. It is not an easy subject to talk about, but I see the ramifications of that daily. If you move someone off the top of the list into a settled area, the chances are that that person will settle. If you move 30, 40 or 50 families or people into a brand new complex, in many cases, there will be hell to pay for years until that community settles down. We all know the reasons for that.
When I speak to housing associations and the Housing Executive, they all tell me the same thing: they are sick to the back teeth of protests about how houses are allocated. Something must change to give those people — those law-abiding people who just happen to need accommodation — the chance of a new, safe and secure home in a safe environment. I am not seeing that for the people whom I represent.

Andy Allen: It will be no surprise to Members across the House that I will speak in support of the motion tabled by the Member opposite and his colleagues. I thank them for bringing this important motion to the House.
There are times in the House when, as parties, we do not all agree, whether that is on the goings-on at the Executive about the universal credit uplift and what happened behind the scenes etc or what is happening with the blockade on welfare mitigations being discussed. However, we can all agree on our endeavours to support the most vulnerable across our society. We can also agree that we are in the midst of a housing crisis. I have heard the Minister acknowledge that on many occasions. She has not shirked her responsibility in admitting that, and I welcome the initiatives that she has taken forward in her short time in the Department to tackle the spiralling housing waiting lists.
There are 2,500 households on the housing waiting list in my constituency of East Belfast. Of those, 1,500 are deemed to be in housing stress. If we put that in the context of Northern Ireland, with that figure being replicated across every constituency bar maybe three or four where the number is nearly double, it equates to 45,000 households on our social housing waiting list. Some 31,267 households were deemed to be in housing stress as of 30 September this year.
The Minister will recognise the following comment from the Adjournment debate that we had in the House two weeks ago. During that debate, I asked whether the figure of 45,000 households on our housing waiting list was the true reality. I do not believe that it is, and I will tell Members why. A number of months ago, I posed a question for written answer to the Department for Communities to ask how many individuals had been taken off our housing waiting list. The Department revealed that 28,000 households had been taken off the waiting list due to the Housing Executive receiving no reply to a renewal reminder. In a follow-up question for written answer, I sought to ascertain how many of the applicants who had been taken off subsequently reapplied. The answer was 7,000. That leaves 21,000 people who gave up on our flawed and failed housing system because they recognised that it would not house them and their families.
I speak about that system daily with constituents who have been on the housing waiting list for years upon years with no prospect of being housed. Those individuals feel that they have been driven, with no other choice, to the private rented sector, where there are increasing costs. We spoke earlier in the House about the increasing cost of living. That is acute and real for many across our constituencies, and many families and individuals have to top up their rent with their social security payments.
I pose this question to the Minister about the welfare reform mitigations and, moreover, the loopholes: does the Department have any statistics or figures? I emphasise that those statistics and figures relate to individuals and families who have lost their home as a result of our inability to close those loopholes. Is that being monitored, and can the Minister advise whether we know if anyone has lost their home due to our inability to close the loopholes?
During the Adjournment debate, I posed another question. I did not get a suitable answer to it, so I will pose it again. It was about constituents engaging with the Housing Executive, and I am sure that it will resonate with Members. I put it on the record that the Housing Executive staff and teams at every level do tremendous work in difficult circumstances and with limited resources to deliver houses. When individuals approach the Housing Executive's housing officer for a particular area, however, they are often advised that the turnaround in that area is very low — there are hugely sought-after areas where turnaround is low — and that naturally leads them to revise their areas of choice. When a housing association approaches the Housing Executive to determine housing need in an area, the information is skewed and is not reflective of the reality. Is that situation monitored? Will we look at that flawed approach to assessing where there is housing need?
The Member touched on the constituents who have come into his constituency office. I am sure that we could all point to similarities across our constituency offices and report how overjoyed we were for constituents whom we managed to support —.

Roy Beggs: Will the Member draw his remarks to a close?

Andy Allen: I close my remarks.

Kellie Armstrong: On behalf of Alliance, I confirm that we will support the motion, and we thank the SDLP for tabling it. I suspect that the whole House will support the motion.
Earlier today, the Minister for Communities confirmed that she will take forward a housing outcome. I welcome that — why would I not? All five parties of the Executive agreed that there would be a housing outcome in New Decade, New Approach negotiations. Given how vital an issue housing is for all citizens across Northern Ireland, it is astonishing that we do not already have a specific housing outcome. I am not surprised, however, that the Executive Office has not brought forward a new Programme for Government this close to the end of a mandate. I expect that, after negotiation, the new Programme for Government will be brought forward by the next Executive. Truthfully, I believe that we will have the current draft Programme for Government until the new mandate and until the new Programme for Government is negotiated. That means that I do not expect a housing outcome to be introduced before the pre-election period, from the end of March. That is just my honest opinion.
On the cost of housing, we all know that the cost of a house has increased. The increase has placed that option out of the scope of many who are trying to get on the homeowner ladder. There is an issue with co-ownership. Co-Ownership's website confirms the types of properties for which people can access support. It confirms, for instance, that you cannot buy a one-bedroom home using co-ownership: surely, with the bedroom tax situation, you should be able to buy a one-bedroom home. Moreover, you cannot buy through co-ownership incomplete homes or homes that do not front onto an adopted road: in my constituency, that basically refers to every new build that is happening. We need to review that to see whether Co-ownership can offer support when people need it.
The increase in rental costs is placing more and more people in debt just to rent a home. Thankfully, the Department, the Minister and the Committee for Communities are working on the Private Tenancies Bill, which seeks to cap deposits and limit how often rental increases can happen. It is likely that we will work to limit the amount of rent to be paid in advance. That work will help to deal with some of the issues that groups such as Renters' Voice have brought forward.
I fully support the Minister's work to protect renters from eviction during the pandemic, and that protection is in place until May 2022. What happens after that? If the Private Tenancies Bill passes in time and Royal Assent is secured, there may be a longer notice period, but, as the definition of homelessness will stay the same, people being evicted — even with notice — who cannot access another place to live will not be defined as homeless until they are four weeks away from having to sofa surf, go to a shelter or sleep in their car.
To stop the housing crisis, we need an effective housing supply strategy and action plan. We need effective area planning and community plans. That means local government working with the housing sector to ensure that need is met and housing is planned to develop community and enable access to public services. We also need our local planning offices to progress planning applications within time limits and not with the years of delay that we currently have. We need to reform the Housing Executive, which has been mentioned, sort out the points system and decide what mechanism will be used to allocate social homes.
We need to consider whether homes are able to adapt to society's changing needs. More citizens present with housing crisis in their later years or when they need adaptations to suit their disability. We need homes designed to suit all life, not part of life. The housing supply strategy must embrace the agreements already made to ensure that shared housing is prioritised.
Homes should be a safe place for every citizen, not only for some citizens. Homes should be available to everyone, not only to some people, because areas are presumed to be of one culture or another. We have a housing crisis, and we have a lot of work to do. I support the motion and call for action on the housing crisis to be moved forward quickly.

Áine Murphy: I welcome the opportunity to speak on the motion. I am in no doubt that there is consensus in the Chamber that we need to address the housing crisis, which has worsened year-on-year.
The cost of rent and property has skyrocketed over the past number of years, putting low-income families, young people and workers under serious pressure when trying to secure a home. Those individuals cannot depend solely on the Housing Executive. In many situations, they will be placed on waiting lists until a home becomes available. As a result, many can be plunged further into debt as they pay extortionate rent just to have a roof over their head. There is also a risk, unfortunately, that some may become homeless. In November 2020, in order to tackle that problem, Carál Ní Chuilín, as interim Minister for Communities, outlined a sweeping transformation plan to overhaul the North's housing system. That was the first radical and robust approach taken in relation to housing in 50 years. That project was required due to outdated housing stock, poorly maintained existing stock, increase in demand and lack of new builds.
Last year, Minister Hargey oversaw the commencement of 2,400 new homes, smashing the current house-building target by 30%. That is a prime example of the Minister's commitment and steadfastness in relation to this project. The Minister also recognises that tweaking around the edges will just not cut it. She is to be commended for her ambition and leadership.
This body of work requires cooperation and support from all of us. Sinn Féin is on record as supporting a stand-alone, specific housing outcome in the Programme for Government, to be accompanied by indicators that provide a specific focus on ensuring that each household has the ability to access good, affordable and sustainable housing that is appropriate to its needs. We will not be found wanting when it comes to that being included in the Programme for Government, and I therefore conclude by offering my support for the motion.

Stephen Dunne: Access to a safe, secure and fit-for-purpose home is a basic and fundamental human right. However, a roof over our head is much more than just that: it is vital to the physical, mental and emotional well-being of adults and children who, without a stable, safe and comfortable home, are less likely to succeed academically, more likely to end up in poorly paid employment, potentially be led into a life of crime and even to suffer from a higher mortality rate. Those are some of the things that define the importance of adequate and suitable housing. In short, the lack of a stable home environment, which affordable housing can provide, can impact all aspects of a person's life and, in turn, can have a catastrophic effect on society as a whole, putting a significant strain on our economy, community welfare and physical and mental health. Indeed, my colleague Mr Frew touched on that and on getting priorities right so that housing has a knock-on effect, so reducing the impact on our health service. The cost to the NHS of dealing with issues resulting from inadequate housing conditions is estimated to be around £40 million a year.
As the motion states, the supply of social and affordable housing in Northern Ireland needs to be increased. The average price of housing here has increased by 30% since 2016, with the average house price now over £153,400. For so many people, that is simply unaffordable, and many people are struggling to make the first step onto the property ladder. That was the case even before the pandemic began, but the pandemic has obviously had an even greater negative impact on those trying to get onto the ladder. Meeting deposit requirements is another considerable challenge. I understand that only one local bank in Northern Ireland currently offers the 5% deposit scheme and that that is only on new builds, not resales.
The cost of renting has also greatly increased, with an estimate of around 25%. That hinders many young people saving for that all-important deposit, as that money is simply used for rental payments.
Private lets are also in short supply, and we have seen examples of landlords cashing in on ever-rising property prices, which, obviously, has had an impact. Rents are rising by 5·7%, and many simply cannot afford to rent privately, turning instead to the Northern Ireland Housing Executive, an organisation that is simply unable to meet demand.
During 2019-2020, over 4,500 people were placed in temporary accommodation here. In 2020-21, that figure had risen to over 9,700. Unfortunately, those figures will only get worse. Daily, my constituency office, like those of so many other Members from across the Chamber and beyond, hears heartbreaking stories of families living in one room, multiple children sharing a bedroom and people with mobility issues being unable to negotiate stairs. They are desperate to secure a more suitable property to meet their needs. Many homes are simply not fit for purpose, with a never-ending waiting list for work to be done. Damp and mould continue to be a real problem across the Housing Executive's stock, and more innovative ways from the Minister are needed to tackle it, including improved insulation and energy efficiency measures.
Often, families find it impossible to stay in the area in which they were brought up. They simply cannot afford to purchase a home in an area where no suitable social housing is available. In August of this year, it was reported that the Housing Executive had a backlog of over £500 million of repairs and maintenance waiting to be carried out. Add to this the current trend of landlords selling on properties from under the feet of private tenants to cash in on the property boom, and we have a real recipe for disaster, leading to many families having serious mental health issues and even breakdowns. As I mentioned, improving the energy efficiency of homes and tackling fuel poverty must be a key priority for the Minister, and we need to see action on that, not simply words.
The pandemic has hit hard, and its effects on jobs and livelihoods will be long lasting. A more permanent remedy must be sought to protect our most vulnerable. We need to look at improving existing stock and at acquiring existing residential and non-residential properties to add to that stock. We need to see real investment that also provides key economic opportunities, not just in the construction sector but across many other sectors. Our housing crisis is not just the result of COVID-19. We are in this desperate state because of a lack of investment or strategic planning from the Minister and a lack of provision of adequate social housing over many years.

Roy Beggs: Will the Member draw his remarks to a close?

Stephen Dunne: Yes. Longer-term solutions are needed, and we need action.

Cara Hunter: Having tabled the motion, alongside my colleagues, I welcome the opportunity to speak on it. Over a third of young people around my age — between the ages of 20 and 34 — still live at home with their parents, often moving back because of soaring rents, financial hardship or lack of economic opportunity to save for a mortgage deposit for their first home. I truly believe that we are entering dangerous waters for the future of our young people. In my constituency of East Derry, in the past year, only 58 social houses were completed against a backdrop of 2,538 applicants. Those statistics are worrying and show the scale of the problem that we face, given our growing population, and we know that it will only get worse.
I have been contacted by many constituents across East Derry and, indeed, across the North about housing, as have other Members. Those constituents have different jobs, ages and backgrounds. They are renters, buyers, homeowners and people who are still having to live with their parents. Housing is the number one area that the caseworkers in my office are contacted about. Many constituents are trying to get social housing as a result of being handed a notice to quit after their landlord decided to sell the house during the pandemic. It is of the utmost importance that we increase the housing stock to tackle the long and ever-extending waiting lists that people here are facing.
The average value of housing has increased dramatically, especially over the past 12 months. In the two council areas in my constituency, for example, we have seen prices in the Causeway Coast and Glens area increase by 16·9%, which is nearly 17%, and, in Derry City and Strabane, there has been an increase of nearly 6%. Many tenants across Northern Ireland are being evicted by landlords who wish to sell up, with my constituency office receiving many phone calls from worried constituents, especially those with small children. They have a fear of becoming homeless, and they really have nowhere to turn, as was eloquently put by my colleague.
In places such as Portrush and Portstewart, areas that are more popular with tourists, local people are being pushed out of the town where they spent their childhood by landlord greed, spiralling rents and the lack of available affordable social housing. They are being priced out of their own communities.
I am a Portrush resident, but, on the wider north coast, in areas such as Castlerock, Portstewart, Portballintrae and even Benone, we are seeing an influx of second homeowners who rent out their property in the tourist season and are pushing local people away from their town. There are no affordable homes for local residents. Communities here are being eroded. Families are being forced to split and live in different towns. The SDLP believes that we can and must do better.
It is deeply worrying and disturbing to see the impact of the housing crisis on young people across Ireland, with the average cost of a rental in 2021 being £729. How are young people meant to be convinced to stay here when housing prices are continuing on an upward trend?
According to Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency (NISRA) statistics for 2021, the Causeway Coast and Glens Borough Council area had the lowest earnings of all local government districts, with employees earning just £452 a week, compared with £618 a week in Belfast, meaning that the area with the highest increase in housing prices is the area with the lowest wages and wage growth in Northern Ireland.
I am truly worried for the health and well-being of my constituents who have the threat of insecure tenure and homelessness hanging over their head. We are staring down the long road of a mental health crisis that already exists here, and the added pressures of unaffordable housing will have an impact on the overall health and well-being of all who live here.
I hope that, with this motion, the Assembly finally recognises the housing crisis that we face. As an Assembly, we can all work together to give our young people here the chance to go from a place in which they just live to a place that they can call home.

Mervyn Storey: I thank the Member opposite for bringing the motion to the Chamber, and I welcome it. When I come to the House, there is one thing for which I am always thankful, and that is corporate memory, because it seems as though some people have very short memories. Although I would prefer not to make it a political issue, let us face up to some realities.
Some truths have to be told to some new Members who make glowing statements about "cross-collaboration" or who say, "Let us all work together to achieve an outcome". That is very funny, because the current Minister's party had no interest in working together when I was Minister for housing. Probably the happiest but most challenging days that I spent in this House were when I had the privilege of being the Minister for housing. The greatest challenge that I faced, however, was obstruction, denial and delay from the party opposite. The Savills report told us what investment was needed in our housing stock. When the party opposite decided to pull down this place for three years, it was not interested in housing. I was still working as a constituency MLA, and I wrote to the then permanent secretary, Leo O'Reilly, in 2018. In a letter to me, he said that it would take £3 billion of investment over 11 years to deal with the maintenance backlog, so let us not take the view that somehow the problem has crept up on us.
Fifty years ago, nationalists were complaining about poor housing, but so were unionists. It is an indictment of us collectively that it is 2021 yet there are people living in absolute squalor and people who cannot even get houses. Why therefore was there a delay? Let us go to that issue. Remember that the Speaker of the House, who was in the Chair earlier, was Minister in the Department for Social Development. He said in 2012:
"We must use whatever financial levers we can to increase supply to those most in need."
When I became Minister in 2014, he was the very person who obstructed the financial arrangements to change the model to give the Housing Executive the money that it needed to do the required work. Why? Because it did not suit Sinn Féin at the time.
Now, because there is an election — sooner rather than later, I hope — it wants to convince its people that it has done something about housing. It is time that Sinn Féin, as a party, faced up to the reality that it has let people down in Londonderry, west Belfast and other parts of the country, because it has failed. Now what does it want? It wants addressing that need to be a stand-alone issue for the Executive. It is time that that party came clean.
It must also come clean on another issue. Where does it stand with regard to housing associations? When I was Minister, I went with two Members from West Belfast to visit houses in their constituency. The ones that they showed me that were good examples were those that belonged to housing associations. However, housing associations are the very thing that the party opposite has problems and difficulties with.

Dolores Kelly: Will the Member give way?

Mervyn Storey: Yes.

Dolores Kelly: The Member will recall that he and I visited a new rural housing association scheme out at Derrymore and saw the splendid work that was being done on fuel poverty and being built into sustainable houses at that time.

Roy Beggs: The Member has an extra minute.

Mervyn Storey: Thank you. I welcomed that opportunity. I said the same thing then as I say now: it is not one size fits all. It will take a combination of the private sector, the Housing Executive, housing associations and various other methods and means to ensure that we deliver good-quality homes for the people of Northern Ireland. I had the great joy of going to see the Apex scheme in the city of Londonderry, where we saw many houses that had been built in that city. However, I have to say that the party opposite bears huge responsibility for years of delay. It is time now to end the rhetoric, denial and delay. Let us see the Minister's plan. We will assess the plan and determine whether it is good for Northern Ireland plc and for housing.

Mike Nesbitt: I had not intended to speak in the debate, so this will probably be more of a long intervention than a five-minute speech. I was just provoked by something that Mr Frew said. Before I get to it, however, I endorse what my colleague Andy Allen said and absolutely support the motion. There is a crisis in social housing, and we need to act on it. What I do not get is the bedroom tax and social sizing. If you are building a house, you need a kitchen, living space, a bathroom and a bedroom. It seems to me that a second bedroom is not a big spend. It does not require a great percentage to put on a second bedroom, but it adds huge flexibility to how the social housing can be used over the course of its lifetime.
The point that I want to make is that Mr Frew said something interesting, which was that we should invest in construction. I absolutely agree with him. However, the thought that I had was of gender budgeting. I do not have the figures in front of me, but it has been clearly established that if you spend, say, 1% of your GDP on construction, the vast majority of the jobs that you create will be for men. Conversely, if you put that 1% of GDP into social care, the vast majority of jobs that you create will be for women.
While I absolutely support the Minister if she is moving to address the social housing crisis, I ask that she does it not in isolation, but encourages her Executive colleagues to think about the impact of gender budgeting and, perhaps, the need to balance the investment in construction with investment in something like social care, so that the gender budgeting implications are addressed and there is fair distribution of job creation between men and women.

Paula Bradshaw: Like my party colleague Kellie Armstrong, I rise to support the motion. I will come at it from a slightly different angle, mainly that of health and well-being, as referenced at the end of the motion.
Many Members have already outlined issues with the supply of housing and the need to build more homes. That is true. It is pertinent to note that, while housing has become a significant issue across the border, it is not prioritised as much in public debate here. I cannot help but think that that is because, here, the impact is felt predominantly in social housing, rather than there being a sense that people are being priced out of the market to the same degree. Nevertheless, a quick glance at average wages and average house prices suggests that, even here, there is no room for complacency.
For me, an additional consideration arises from the opportunities that we are wasting in our supposedly integrated health and social care system. In the past few years, some of the English city regions, notably Greater Manchester, have taken steps to integrate health and social care. By integration, they do not mean stopping at providing health and social care services from one department; they mean integrating them to the extent that health and welfare become part of the same package. That is pertinent when we consider that the issue with housing in Northern Ireland is not only that we need more of it but that it needs to be better quality.
Even something as apparently basic as dampness or poor insulation can have a significant impact on health and well-being. In Greater Manchester, the integrated system means that, in primary care, a specific housing intervention can be prescribed. In other words, housing is not just a service to be provided but a real extension of well-being. It should not be hard to replicate that in a small area such as Northern Ireland. However, it will mean getting on with it. It may be necessary to find ways of more quickly converting brownfield sites for new housing, for example, thereby renovating and reinvigorating locations.
Fundamentally, I am talking about a resident-first approach with a focus on well-being, particularly since the approach of the Programme for Government is supposed to be outcomes-based. We should set out to accomplish it urgently; there would be significant benefits from it.

Clare Bailey: I support the motion, but I also put on record the fact that housing has not been an issue only for nationalists and unionists; it has been an issue for all of us. Mr Nesbitt quite rightly points out the flexibilities that having a second bedroom can give, but we also need to be cognisant that the welfare reform legislation that went through, supported by many in the House, removed that flexibility from a lot of people.
I will not go over points that have been made. I urge the Executive to commit to developing legislation for a Northern Ireland-specific rent control scheme. We cannot continue to run the risk of becoming like Dublin or London, where increasing numbers of people are priced out of the city and long-established working-class community areas become gentrified.
I do not believe that everyone should want to own their own home. I am a renter; I am a social housing tenant. I was one of the A1 priorities that were mentioned. I was at the top of the list. I was resettled absolutely fine, but it was a lengthy, bruising and torturous process.
Our long-established communities who already face the chronic shortage of housing will be further impacted when landlords realise that they can make a heftier profit if they rent to students or young professionals rather than people from within those communities. Market forces mean that private rental is sold as a great boost to people to help with their pension incomes. It is a wee bit brutal when pensions are under attack and are dwindling. It is sometimes hard to blame people for going for that model, but housing is a human right, not an economic lever. Let us understand that and wake up to the encroachment that we are allowing to happen and that is putting so many people at risk.
Knowing that, the Green Party supports rent control measures. For those who are unaware, rent controls are government regulations that limit the rent that a landlord can charge. Policies can come in different forms, and regulations might include capping annual rent increases so that they do not increase beyond a given figure, preventing landlords from increasing rent during a tenancy, and creating a rent ceiling or upper limit that specifies the maximum rent for a property to let. Rent controls are not a new phenomenon. For example, the private rental market in the UK was regulated for most of the last century, the last regulations having been abolished in 1989. Paris caps rents so that they cannot be 20% more than an area's average. In February 2020, Berlin introduced a five-year rent cap for all apartments built prior to 2014.
I am aware that the rent-to-buy scheme will be ended next August.
While the Minister is here, I take the opportunity to let her know that I have received the written notification from my housing provider. It is good news that the notifications are going out. Hopefully, that measure will go some way to stemming the loss of public housing into private ownership. It is bizarre that we spend public money building public housing that we sell off at a lower value into private ownership, and there is no requirement for the public stock to be replaced: that needs to stop.
How are rent rates set in public bodies? When we talk about "affordable housing", what do we mean? I am not aware of any public or private rental rates that are set using an average income rate. How bizarre is that? As far as I am aware, all rents are set in accordance with the market value. Well, the market value is unaffordable and unsustainable, and using that as a measure for something that is a human right needs to stop. Human rights should never be a commodity, but that is exactly what is happening, and it is happening under our watch.

Roy Beggs: I now call the Minister for Communities, Deirdre Hargey, to respond to the debate. The Minister has 15 minutes.

Deirdre Hargey: I thank the contributors to the debate. I welcome the opportunity to speak on the motion.
I am aware of the housing crisis that we face, and many Members have discussed that crisis today. Indeed, I have not shied away from saying that it is a housing crisis. Members will recall the statement that was made, almost a year ago to the day, outlining plans to address the challenges that we face in our system. Those included looking at the housing stress, increasing the supply of social and affordable homes and looking at the change in population going forward.
Previously, I outlined how I will deliver on the challenges. That included proposals for legislative and structural change, which may transform how we address the housing need. My ambition is to ensure that every household has access to good-quality, affordable and sustainable housing that meets its needs appropriately. I am pulling out all the stops to get more homes built in every area where there is a housing need. Tackling housing stress is my top priority.
Last year, 2,403 social housing units were started; the highest figure in a decade. During the same period, 1,318 social housing units were completed, and that exceeded the target of 1,200. I have secured an investment budget from the Finance Minister for new social housing. This financial year, I have made £162 million available, and that is an increase of £26 million on the previous year's budget.
I am considering what policy changes are needed to increase the capacity of the social housing development programme. I will reintroduce ring-fencing to ensure that areas of acute housing need are prioritised. I am working with housing associations, and I have encouraged them to identify land that is available for social housing. I am also conducting an exercise to identify surplus public land that could be used for social housing developments. Again, that is where councils, through their local development plans, can play a key role in making sure that the targets around social and affordable housing are met. I know that some people in councils — I am glad that is a minority — did not want any minimum threshold. However, we need the threshold to be at 20% or up at 30% to 40%, at least, as a minimum.
The COVID pandemic has impacted the construction industry and the cost of materials. To ensure that we protect the delivery of new social housebuilding programmes, I have recently approved a mid-year review to increase the cost to allow those projects to continue. That will take account of the increased costs that are affecting contractors on newly tendered schemes. Housing associations can claim for increased costs between April and September of this year for schemes that are already on-site or tendered.
I will also continue to help people into homeownership, if that is their choice, through the support for shared ownership schemes such as Co-Ownership. Co-Ownership has helped more than 30,000 families into homeownership. It is currently assisting well over 1,000 people a year to purchase their first home. Over the four years to 2024, I will have provided £158 million of financial transactions capital loan funding to Co-Ownership. That will help to deliver more than 4,400 homes under that successful scheme. That includes £13 million that was allocated in January this year to assist those who were negatively impacted by tighter lending conditions as a result of the pandemic.
More needs to be done to provide people with a greater range of affordable housing choices. My Department published the definition of affordable housing in April 2021. The changes are designed to facilitate a greater range of affordable housing products and to support the delivery of mixed-tenure developments as a key area of focus for councils in their local development plans. I launched a consultation on the delivery of one new such product: intermediate rent. The consultation sets out my proposals to deliver a new supply of affordable housing for rent, offering homes that are affordable for lower-income people and families.
Meeting the challenges posed by our housing crisis requires us to do more, deliver more social and affordable homes and protect the homes that we have. In June 2020, the Assembly passed legislation to end the house sale schemes for housing associations, and that will come into effect in August 2022. Members were written to in October 2021, informing them of the change. I remain committed to launching a consultation on the future of the house sale schemes, addressing the need to do much more within the Housing Executive stock as well. I put this proposal to the Executive, and it has not progressed. I am calling for the proposal to be progressed so that I can put it out to consultation.
Members are also aware of the huge and long-standing investment challenges faced by the Housing Executive.

A Member: Will the Minister give way?

Deirdre Hargey: I will give way at the end. Sorry, I want to make sure that I finish what I have here.
My officials and the Housing Executive continue to work in partnership and at pace to provide me with advice to enable me to bring a recommendation to the Executive by March 2022 on how to tackle the challenge. We need to make the private rented sector a more sustainable option, and, indeed, that sector was one of our most urgent areas of intervention as the pandemic hit. An emergency Bill was drafted, from a blank piece of paper, and passed in the Assembly in less than five weeks, to extend the protections around the notice to quit. Indeed, I have extended those again until May 2022.
I am bringing forward new legislation to improve the safety, security and quality of the private rented sector, and I put the needs of tenants at the heart of this approach. Private renters should have access to good, affordable homes, with peace of mind over the length and conditions of their rental contract. There needs to be improved health and safety in order to keep families and people safe, and I want to see restrictions on rent increases and to extend the notice-to-quit period so that we protect tenants when it comes to evictions.
The Bill includes a clause to alter the notice period up to a maximum of six months, and my officials are exploring ways to make better use of private rented homes, examining the potential for long-term leasing schemes in the private rented sector. That will allow tenants to avail themselves of longer tenancies in better, well-maintained homes, with tenancy support services available when they need them.
I prioritised an action to improve our response to homelessness. Our future homelessness policy continues to build on the lessons learned in how we have dealt with the pandemic. That will include a roll-out of an interdepartmental homelessness action plan, and it will continue to support the Housing Executive to deliver on its statutory responsibility for responding to homelessness.
I am pleased that I was able to secure an additional £9·3 million this year to continue the public health response for the very vulnerable groups. That will allow the Housing Executive to continue to deliver actions in its COVID reset plan, which was published in November 2020. The plan sets out a framework to build on the lessons learned since March 2020, while also considering the wider strategic impacts. Work continues on the development of the new homelessness strategy to take us from 2022 to 2027, with a public consultation set to be launched this month.
Housing is an integrated system, as many have said. That means that the impacts on one or more parts of the system — for instance, restrictions on private housebuilding — impact on need and demand in other areas. It also means that the barriers to increasing the supply of social and intermediate homes are much the same as those affecting housing supply more broadly. My Department leads on the development of a housing supply strategy. That will focus on those whole-system issues that act as a barrier to the supply of housing. It will also consider the wider issues of quality, sustainability and affordability in the context of changing demographics and household formation trends. The strategy will provide the long-term basis for sustainable improvements across the entire housing market but with a specific focus on equality and an increase in housing supply and housing options for those in greatest need.
The consultation on the strategy will come forward before the end of this year.
I have covered a number of important issues. Some are deep, underlying issues that have been there for many years, if not decades. I am taking on the challenges through the most radical transformation of our housing system in over 50 years. Tackling our housing crisis requires collaboration across government. Today's debate highlights the need for a stand-alone housing outcome in the Programme for Government. It was discussed in the other debate, but the right to a home is fundamental. A house impacts on many other things. I support the housing sector and those campaigners in having a stand-alone outcome. My position on that is known. I have raised it at the Executive, I will continue to raise it, and I have put it in writing as part of the draft Programme for Government outcomes framework.

Mervyn Storey: Will the Minister give way?

Deirdre Hargey: I will give way in a minute, once I finish, and there is a bit of time. Sorry.
I have also spoken to the deputy First Minister, Michelle O'Neill. She, too, has confirmed her support. Indeed, she has told me that she has signed off on the Programme for Government outcomes framework that was brought forward by officials. That Programme for Government document has been through numerous departmental discussions, stakeholder engagements and consultation exercises. It represents not only a ministerial and departmental road map but one that has been endorsed by wider civic society and a range of stakeholders. I know from speaking to the deputy First Minister that she has clearly and publicly set out that position in Executive meetings.
I know the proposers' intent in respect of housing, but, if they speak to their Minister, they will hear that Nichola knows what has been raised and said at the Executive meetings. That means that one area is being blocked from being brought forward by one part of the Executive Office. Rather than trying to promote the false narrative that it is being blocked by two sides of the House, we should work collectively to ensure that our people benefit from a quality housing policy and improved rights for all. I call on the Programme for Government and my consultation on the right to buy scheme to be brought to the Executive for decisions.
I have a bit of time, so I will address some other issues. I have covered the housing supply strategy and said that we will go out to consultation on that soon. My proposal for a consultation on the right to buy scheme has been with the Executive for a number of months, but it has not made it on to the agenda. If you look at the issues, you will see an obvious trend.
I move now to prioritising health. I agree that health and housing have to work together. There has been greater working together throughout the pandemic. A memorandum of understanding was signed by Robin and me, but it ends in December. I want that to continue and to be broadened beyond the pandemic. Last week, I visited a homeless accommodation facility in south Belfast. You can clearly see the links between housing and health, particularly around addiction and the wider wrap-around support. I want to continue to work with the Health Minister to make sure that we are addressing those issues collectively.
Issues were raised around the allocation and points system. Members will know that, when I was off, my predecessor, Carál, brought forward changes to the points system. Eighteen of the 20 recommendations were approved. Work to put the systems in place for those changes to take effect is ongoing with the Housing Executive. Some will start to be rolled out next year, and that work will continue shortly after that.
I do not have the specific details or targets on the loopholes. However, the longer that the mitigations and loopholes cannot be closed, the longer that people will be impacted. I have asked the Executive that that be placed on the agenda for decision, not discussion, at this Thursday's Executive meeting.
I move now to gender and budgeting. Obviously, I am responsible for developing the gender strategy. We have looked at gender budgeting and participatory budgeting, and I have looked at the sectors. It is not just a case of putting more money or resources into social care. It is about fixing the terms and conditions within social care. Not only are many who work there female but it is the lowest-paid sector. You can look at that and track it across. A number of months ago, I attended a Housing Executive presentation with the Human Rights Commission, which was looking at gender in apprenticeships. The higher-paid apprenticeships are predominantly in male-orientated sectors. That is what needs to change.
I completely agree, but we need to change the fundamentals. I am more than happy to look at that in the time ahead.
A comment was made about the institutions. It is critical for housing, because, when it comes to how budgets are allocated or decisions are taken, discrimination of any sort needs to end. There should not be political interference that tries to discriminate in public policy
[Interruption.]
Mervyn, I get on with you, but you are a different person in the Chamber from what you are in the corridor, truth be told. I am more than happy to have a conversation with anybody —.

Mervyn Storey: Will the Minister give way?

Deirdre Hargey: When I am finished. I am more than happy to have a conversation with anybody who comes to me, but very few of you have come to me. Some have — I will give them that — but few MLAs have asked to sit down with me to discuss housing. You wait until you come to the Chamber to say anything. I know that many of you are genuine about it, but come and speak to me as well.

Roy Beggs: I ask the Minister to draw her remarks to a close.

Deirdre Hargey: The proposer of the motion said that he did not want the debate to be political. I totally agree with that, but he then went outside and did a video and made it political. Again, straight after raising it —
[Interruption.]

Roy Beggs: Order.

Deirdre Hargey: I have no problem with being held to account —

Roy Beggs: The Minister's time is up.

Deirdre Hargey: — but work with me and be open and genuine about it.
[Interruption.]

Roy Beggs: Order.
I call Dolores Kelly to conclude and make a winding-up speech on the debate on the motion. The Member has 10 minutes.

Dolores Kelly: I thank the Minister for being present for the debate and all Members who contributed. From Members' contributions, the linkages between housing and good health outcomes for everyone are clear, and, owing to the changing demographics of society here, there is a need for much more diverse housing accommodation for people who are older, those who have disabilities and those who are part of the boomerang generation, if Cara Hunter does not mind my saying that. As the parent of someone from that generation, I am familiar with the difficulties that young people have in getting an affordable home, whether that is to rent or to buy.
Across all constituencies, in the past weeks and months, we increasingly find people presenting as homeless because landlords are taking advantage of rising house prices. Only the other week, I had a family in with me who had been given until just after Christmas to find a new home. The Member for Upper Bann across the Chamber will know that there are not many places left to rent in the Upper Bann constituency, yet we have huge public land ownership. We have stacks of land in the centre of Craigavon, in the Brownlow area in particular, on which we could build homes. Despite 2,908 families and individuals on the waiting list last year in our constituency, only four homes were built.
I say to the Minister that, as an elected representative, I have regular meetings with the Housing Executive. I place on record my thanks to its staff, because many of them work tirelessly and are passionate about finding good homes for people. I also place on record my thanks to Housing Rights, because I am sure that I avail myself of its services on a weekly basis as I seek advice on how best to advocate on behalf of my constituents. Often, it picks up our slack by providing advice and making available legal services.
COVID has taught us all about the value of having a good home and having a bit of space in the garden and in the house. There is the old saying about your home being your castle. Many Members spoke about the need for people to feel safe and secure in their home. That is true.
I did not think that I would ever say this in the public domain, but I was glad of Mr Storey's intervention, because I was beginning to think that I was living in a parallel universe in which we did not have three years of collapse of the Assembly with no decisions on health, education and waiting lists. We heard earlier about the crisis in our health service. We now hear about the crisis in housing. We had three years, however, in which housing did not drive people back to the Chamber or back around the Executive table.

Mervyn Storey: Will the Member give way?

Dolores Kelly: I will give way.

Mervyn Storey: To clarify, I am the same person in here as I am out there. I am happy to talk to anybody. I may enjoy a bit of banter in the House, but my message will be the same out there as it is in here.
I say to the Member from Upper Bann that it was worse than that. In the two years prior to that, Sinn Féin decided not to move on housing. It is playing a game of bluff. Now, all of a sudden, there is a rush to get everything to the Chamber so that it can get it into its election manifesto that it has done something for housing, when it has, in fact, sat on its hands for the past 10 years.

Dolores Kelly: I thank the Member for his comment.
I think it was Ms Bradshaw who remarked that housing is an issue across the island. I think that the reason why it is not in the public discourse to the same extent in the North as it is in the South is whose responsibility it is. Housing is the responsibility of Sinn Féin in the North, but Sinn Féin, of course, is an opposition party in the South, where housing a key electoral strategy. Some of the remedies that the Housing Minister in the South has advocated are the ones on which we are to congratulate the housing Minister in the North.
I find it strange that, all of a sudden, having a housing-focused outcome in the Programme of Government is so important now, when it was not important in January last year, which is when we sought for it to be in the Programme for Government. When Margaret Ritchie and Alex Attwood were Social Development Ministers, they increased housing, with 2,000 new homes built each year. During their tenure in office, they built more houses than any subsequent Minister.
It is right and proper to say that housing should be on all our minds, because of those linkages to health and how it creates vibrant and sustainable communities. Across Ireland, there is a huge need for people to own their home, but, as Ms Bailey said, it is equally OK to rent and to want to be a renter. Indeed, Ms Bailey referred to examples across Europe —

Roy Beggs: I encourage the Member to use the microphone.

Dolores Kelly: Sorry.
— where there are protections such as rent caps. We need to look at that.
I feel sorry not just for the people who are most vulnerable and marginalised in terms of the types of houses that they have to live in but for the people who cannot get on to the social housing ladder at all and have zero chance of owning their home. The strategy going forward for how housing is designed and created has to not only meet the needs of the most vulnerable and marginalised through the provision of a good, affordable home but help your children, my children and the children of teachers, nurses, care workers and factory workers. It has to help everyone. We have to start to build a different type of society where it is OK to rent. Equally, we have to look at how co-ownership can help those who want to get into the housing market.
Of course, there are issues with how land is often banked by developers until there is an opportune time to build. I fully understand that there is much more that is not in the Minister's gift, as she said, and that requires collaboration across government. That is clear, and I accept that. However, there has to be some honesty about what has been delivered: four houses out of 2,900 on a waiting list. It is not just about starting to build; it is when the houses are actually built that is the true stat that we need to understand.
I welcome the Minister's flexibility on contracts. She will know that new builds, particularly around schools, have, in my constituency, fallen foul of the increased cost of construction.
I ask the Minister to look particularly at disabled persons facilities grants. I know that she has looked at some flexibilities there. Getting an assessment from occupational therapy to kick-start the process —.

Deirdre Hargey: Will you take a point of information?

Dolores Kelly: Yes.

Deirdre Hargey: We are looking at that. The Housing Executive is running a pilot to look at doing a lot of that assessment in-house. There have been brilliant results around disabled facilities, and we hope that that will be extended across the board. I will be able to update you separately on that.

Dolores Kelly: I thank the Minister for that clarification. That is some good news. We have talked about that in the House for a long time. As a former OT, I wonder why it has not been done before. I wish the Minister well. I know that the pilot has shown some good results. It is critical. As more and more people require healthcare and community care, the focus will be on care in the community.
Once people are ready for discharge from hospital into the community, it is critical that the support mechanisms and the wrap-around service swing into gear very swiftly.
We are, as the motion says, in a housing crisis. Far too little has been delivered over the past number of years. I hope that the strategies that the Minister outlined will see the light of day and be quickly resourced and implemented. It is very clear in my mind that we need a much broader overview to meet the needs and aspirations of all our citizens, whether it is co-ownership, having social and affordable housing to rent or people being able to remain in their own homes after injury or illness. I thank all the Members who spoke for their contributions.
Question put and agreed to.

Resolved:
That this Assembly recognises the severe impact that the housing crisis, which has made housing unaffordable for many and placed home ownership out of reach for a generation of young people, has had on people and families across Northern Ireland; notes that the average price of housing in Northern Ireland has increased by 30% since 2016; further notes that the cost of renting has increased by 25% since 2016 and this is having a material impact on the capacity of people to save the deposit needed to secure a home; regrets that the First Minister and deputy First Minister have yet to publish a Programme for Government with a specific housing outcome, supplemented with relevant indicators; and calls on the Minister for Communities to increase the supply of social and affordable housing in recognition that the security of a home has an immediate impact on the health and well-being of citizens.

Roy Beggs: I ask Members to take their ease for a few moments before the next item of business.
(Mr Speaker in the Chair)

Ministerial Statement

High Street Scheme

Alex Maskey: I have received notice from the Minister for the Economy that he wishes to make a statement. Before I call the Minister, I remind Members that, in light of the social distancing being observed by parties, the Speaker's ruling that Members must be in the Chamber to hear a statement if they wish to ask a question has been relaxed. Members who are participating remotely must make sure that their name is on the speaking list if they wish to be called. Members who are present in the Chamber may do that by rising in their place or by notifying the Business Office or the Speaker's Table directly.
I remind Members to be concise in asking their questions. This is not an opportunity for debate per se, and long introductions should be avoided at all costs. I also remind Members that, in accordance with long-established procedure, points of order are not normally taken during a statement or the period for questions afterwards.

Gordon Lyons: I take the opportunity to update Members on the progress of the high street scheme. I know that there is much interest in that in the Chamber and across Northern Ireland.
I begin by putting the scheme in context. Throughout these challenging economic times, my Department has been at the forefront of the Executive's response to the economic impacts of the pandemic. We have delivered unprecedented financial support that has enabled thousands of businesses to keep their doors open, secured tens of thousands of jobs and provided hope for families and communities. We have provided around £500 million to over 32,000 businesses through a number of essential support schemes, all of which were delivered and developed in unprecedented turnaround times. Working with Invest Northern Ireland, we introduced new schemes to support businesses, and, alongside Tourism NI, we weighed in with support for that sector too. We also provided much-needed support for higher and further education students. I have no doubt that, had it not been for the interventions at a national UK and local level, we would find ourselves in a dark economic place today. Thankfully, the work of my Department and other Departments helped us through the darkest days of COVID and out the other side.
With the launch of the economic recovery action plan (ERAP) in February past, we clearly and deliberately shifted our focus from crisis response to economic recovery. The ERAP, which was supported by the Executive with funding of £286·8 million, is an ambitious suite of decisive actions designed to stimulate recovery. It has been widely endorsed by our business community and now leads the way for the Executive's recovery plan, delivering a multifaceted approach to recovery incorporating skills, trade, innovation and the green economy. That includes the development of a flexible skills fund; widening access to apprenticeships by removing the age cap; developing proposals to implement an artificial intelligence centre of excellence; accelerating the delivery of city and growth deals, which will inject over £1·5 billion into our economy; stimulating tourism through targeted marketing and capacity building investment; and developing a green innovation challenge fund.
The initiative that has received the most attention is the high street scheme. Our local retailers and our hospitality and service sector are among those that have borne the brunt of the economic downturn. Their ability to trade has been severely hampered by the stop-start restrictions that have been implemented over the past 18 months. Many also suffered the devastating impact of consumer drift to online shopping that lockdown incentivised. For the most part, the shops, cafes, restaurants, salons and pubs that make up the lifeblood of communities in all our constituencies survived the pandemic, but they needed our help to attract their customers back and to recover. We were there to provide it. We knew that, by providing every eligible adult in Northern Ireland with a prepaid Spend Local £100 card, we could stimulate economic recovery on our high streets and in our town centres and, at the same time, protect jobs. That would mean that 1·4 million people would receive and spend an extra £140 million in local businesses throughout Northern Ireland and shift consumer spending from online to physical locations.
We could see the multiplier effect it would have in bringing many more customers back through the doors of local retail, hospitality and other sectors and in leveraging spend over and above the £100 on the card by people who will use it as part of a payment for a larger purchase.
No one should underestimate the scale of the task in delivering the high street scheme. In a matter of months, we put in place a system to accept, verify and process applications from every eligible adult in Northern Ireland: over 1·4 million people. We implemented a process to manufacture, dispatch and deliver cards that were unique to every applicant. We worked with traders to ensure their understanding of the scheme and to incentivise sales into local businesses. This had never been done in our history. I can share with Members that other jurisdictions are watching with keen interest to see how we have managed to deliver this.
It was important to me that as many people as possible could access the scheme and that their journey through the process was as straightforward as possible. We launched an applications portal on 27 September. Then, on 11 October, we opened a telephone service to support applications from people who were unable to access or use the online portal. The later opening of the telephone service was implemented to encourage more people to apply online and avoid using the telephone line, leaving it available for those who needed it most. We introduced a system of trusted partners to enable asylum seekers and the homeless to apply.
The portal and phone line closed on 25 October, by which time we had received over 1·43 million applications, very much within the range of our predictions at the outset. It was and continues to be essential that we verify the identity of every single applicant, as we have been aware from the outset that a scheme of this nature is open to fraud. No Member would want that.
Unlike Jersey, we do not hold a citizens database. Therefore, we have to use the databases that we can access to verify applicants while ensuring at all times that we are GDPR-compliant. We asked each applicant for information that we initially attempted to match against the data held on the electoral register. For those who did not match using the electoral register, we attempted to verify their details using driving licence data and Department for Communities benefits data. A total of 1·264 million applications — 88% of the total number of applications — were verified through those automated checks.
There were, unfortunately, around 160,000 people whose details we were unable to verify via the databases used. Let me repeat: none of those applicants has been rejected. Every one of them has been given an opportunity to submit evidence that they live in Northern Ireland and are over 18 years of age. The Assembly can be assured that we are applying maximum flexibility on the information that can be provided to confirm that they are eligible for a Spend Local card. That means that where there is a genuine attempt to provide information, a clear link between the application and the documents provided and a reasonable level of confidence that the person is eligible, they will be verified, provided the information returned is clear and legible. To date, 90,000 people have submitted that additional evidence. Despite negativity from the usual quarters, it looks likely that around 98% of those will have their application approved.
There is still a sizeable group that has not yet submitted evidence of eligibility. A reminder email has just been sent to everyone who has not responded, and we will continue to reach out to those people via social media and other channels to encourage them to respond to the email as soon as possible. The more quickly that we receive their information, the more quickly we can issue them with their card, and they can use it to support local businesses.
I want to address erroneous accusations that I, my Department or this scheme acted in any way to discriminate against any groups. Let me be absolutely clear once again: no one has been rejected for a Spend Local card. I find it particularly difficult to comprehend how anyone who, in their own words, does not know the ins and outs or the intricacies of how the policy has been implemented can go on to a public forum and say that there is a very strong case that sex discrimination has occurred. I would expect more from the chief commissioner of the Equality Commission. Had she contacted me, I would have informed her that there were a relatively small number of cases in which a birth certificate was not initially accepted as proof of date of birth as the maiden name did not match the name on the application form. However, I took decisive, early action to address that issue and can now assure Members that applicants will not face that problem.
Let me repeat: the purpose of the scheme is to get as much stimulus as possible into our local businesses. The best and only way to achieve that policy goal is to get the highest number of eligible people supporting their local businesses by using their Spend Local card, and my Department is demonstrating maximum flexibility in its consideration of the documents that we receive to ensure that we meet that objective. The process of verifying the identity of people who have not been matched against the automated checks is ongoing, and we continue to listen and make changes to the list of verification documents that are acceptable as proof of identity and age. That includes letters from trusted partners, including care homes, and those can be provided rather than documents of proof of address and date of birth. The Department is working as flexibly as possible and will continue to refine the process, if required. In instances where older people and people in care homes have difficulty in providing that information, I encourage family members, friends, care home staff and other organisations to support them through the process, if they have permission to do so. My Department is also working closely with the Commissioner for Older People and other trusted partners to ensure that we make the customer journey as simple as possible for older people.
To date, over one million cards have been dispatched. Over 580,000 of those have been activated, and over £26·5 million has now been injected into our local economy. Those are remarkable statistics, and, while it is still early days, it is fair to say that the process of recovery on our high streets is now under way. By the end of this week, cards will have been dispatched to at least 95% of applicants whom we have been able to match to information held on databases, and, by the middle of next week, cards will have been dispatched to all those who have been verified to date.
It remains the case that most people will have four weeks to spend their card, but I recognise that that will not be the case for everyone. Therefore, to offer those applicants a fair timescale in which to use their card, I can today announce that I am extending the deadline to use the Spend Local cards by two weeks — from 30 November to 14 December. Members on the Economy Committee requested that, and I am happy to agree to it. That will mean that the vast majority of people will have at least four weeks to use their card. That means spending their card in local shops, from Belfast to Enniskillen, Cookstown, Newtownards, Portadown, Bangor and everywhere in between. To maximise the benefit to our local businesses, including the retail, hospitality and service sectors, it is vital that everyone spends the full £100 on their Spend Local card, and the extra two-week period will also allow cardholders who have some balance left on their card, no matter how small, to spend it in local businesses. For anyone who has any balance left on their card, no matter how small, my message is this: please go out and spend it locally. Buy a coffee, a breakfast, a newspaper, a magazine or even a small present for someone this Christmas. Maximise the Spend Local card. Every penny spent will help.
The objective of the high street scheme is to stimulate recovery in our local businesses by encouraging increased local spending rather than spending online, and by extending the deadline to use the Spend Local card, we can encourage more people to purchase Christmas presents, Christmas decorations and even food for Christmas dinner in their local area rather than doing so online. I have consistently encouraged all cardholders to use their Spend Local card to support businesses in their local area that have been impacted by the pandemic.
I have been hugely encouraged by the level of engagement, not only from the public but from our retail, hospitality and service sectors. Many local businesses across all parts of Northern Ireland have further incentivised spending in their premises by offering additional savings or rewards. By helping themselves in that way, they are also helping their staff, suppliers and neighbouring businesses. Spending a little has a big effect.
The journey to recovery for retail, hospitality and the service sector has just begun. As more and more people receive their Spend Local card through their letter box daily, I urge them to activate the card as soon as they can and to spend every last penny on it. Finally, I say this: please, please spend local.

Caoimhe Archibald: I thank the Minister for his statement, and I welcome the fact that he has today extended the scheme to enable people to spend their Spend Local card for an additional two weeks. That is important. It is also important that the Minister set out explicitly in his statement that the policy goal is for the greatest number of people who are eligible for the scheme to get a card. I put on record my thanks to his officials who have constructively engaged with the Committee to resolve issues over the past number of weeks.
A number of constituents have contacted me who had difficulties inputting their details to get their PIN code and some difficulties accessing support via phone and email. Will the Minister look at that to ensure that people can get that support? Finally, will there be any additional costs associated with the extension of the scheme?

Gordon Lyons: First, I thank the Chair of the Committee and, indeed, the whole Committee for the constructive way in which they have worked with the Department on the scheme. I appreciate the Chair's words about my officials. They have worked very hard, not only on this scheme but on others that have come before it. They have done a fantastic job of rolling out the high street scheme.
I am aware of some of the difficulties that people have had over recent days in activating their card. There have also been some issues with the phone line. The Chair will appreciate that it has been a particularly busy time. This is the week in which most cards were sent out. Last week, about 600,000 cards had been sent out, and over a million have now been sent out. This week has been a key point in the roll-out of the scheme, and I urge people to be patient. I also encourage people to use the text message function to activate their card.
I do not anticipate there being any further costs as a result of the extension of the scheme. The Chair will be aware, however, of the contingency funding that was set aside to deal with potentially more people applying for the scheme than we had expected. We are in and around where we thought we would be, at 1·4 million applications. We are a little bit over that, but we have built in contingency funding to deal with that.

Keith Buchanan: I thank the Minister for his statement. This is an incredible scheme, and I do not underestimate the challenges involved in rolling it out. People can sneer from the sidelines, but the scheme has been rolled out in a short time. To be fair, there have been a few small issues, but that is to be expected.
The Minister said that £26·5 million has been spent so far in the local economy. From the information that you have received and based on the amount that has been spent so far, is the scheme having the desired and expected impact?

Gordon Lyons: I thank the Member for his words. As I walked around my constituency, my experience was incredibly positive. I have spoken to retailers, who have noticed a difference. They told me that people who would not otherwise have come in have come in solely to use their card. People have spent above and beyond what was on the card. People have used their card and said that they would come back again. People have spent their card in one shop and then gone into other shops because they saw what was on offer on the high street.
From what I have heard, the scheme is therefore ticking all the boxes, which is positive. In fact, I spoke to one retailer in my constituency who told me that sales last week were up 40% on the same time in October 2019, before the pandemic hit. The scheme is therefore benefiting retailers. Of course, the public also love to have the card.

Matthew O'Toole: I certainly very much support the Minister's spend local message, and I welcome the fact that everybody who is eligible for the card will have the opportunity to receive it. Regarding the initial purpose of the scheme, however, which was economic additionality, a multiplier effect and creating economic stimulus where none had existed before, will the Minister at least acknowledge that very few economists anywhere would suggest that the best time to create economic additionality in retail is the month of December?

Gordon Lyons: We want to have a short-term boost to the high street, yes, but we also want to see a longer-term benefit and return from the scheme as we try to pull people away from the online retailers and back to the high street. I hope that it will have a long-lasting impact. I spoke to retailers in Armagh and Portadown recently, and they said, "Actually, this has been the best time for us". They felt that the scheme was not only pulling some people into the high street for their Christmas shop but had, in fact, come at just the right time, because they had had a good time over the summer, which had then dipped coming into September and October.
The Member talks about December. I actually think that we will see the vast majority of the spend taking place in October and November. Most people have received their cards now. Spend is accelerating every day, and we are peaking again at weekends. We will see that trend continue. The scheme is providing a boost now, when retailers need it. We have to remember the tough time that so many retailers and those in hospitality, entertainment and leisure have had. Many got support from the UK Government, from the Executive and from my Department, but some still had to dip into their savings to keep their businesses going. They have said that this scheme has made a difference and has helped them after those previous difficult periods, so I think that it is ticking all the boxes. If the Member speaks to those who are benefiting from it, he will find that they are happy with the scheme's timing.

Mike Nesbitt: I thank the Minister for coming to the Chamber with his statement. It reminds me, however, of the famous quote from Shakespeare's 'Hamlet': the man "doth protest too much".
Regarding the practicalities of the scheme, Minister, I was told that it would be over before people started spending for Christmas, but that is not the case. I was told that it would be additional to Christmas spend, but you are now encouraging it to be used for Christmas spend. You told me that nobody had told you that they would use it to buy a £100 Amazon voucher, but they are doing just that. The Committee was told that the overspend margin was £2 million to £3 million, yet you are holding £21 million in reserve. Why do you continue to argue that the scheme is well run and is delivering on its policy intents?

Gordon Lyons: Because that is the feedback that I am getting from the people who are benefiting from the scheme. If the Member were to speak to owners of the businesses in his constituency that had to close for so long, and if he were to listen to them about the effect that they say that the card is having, he would see that it is having the effect that was intended. The scheme is fulfilling the policy intent: it is pulling people back to the high street.
The key objective at the start of the scheme, when we were at that low point in the year, was that it would provide a boost. I am more than content that that boost will continue. I am pleased that we are getting to the point where retailers are saying, "This is a good time to have it". They are pleased to have it, because it is pulling people into town centres ahead of Christmastime. Therefore, although it was our original intention for the scheme to be completed by the end of November, and I still believe that the vast majority of the money will be spent by then, I do not have a problem with allowing it to go on for another two weeks in order to make sure that the money is used up and that those who may have got their card a little bit later than everybody else will still have four weeks in which to spend it. It is a proportionate response to the issues that we have faced. That is what I have done with the scheme the whole way along: we have met a number of challenges along the way, and I have been flexible and have tried to do the right thing to address those challenges so that we could hit the scheme's policy intent.
The last issue that the Member raised was the contingency that was put in place. It was prudent for me to do that.
I have a wider economic recovery action plan. I held some of that back in case there were any overspends in the scheme, which is the last thing that I wanted to see. It looks like we will probably spend about £8 million of that £21 million. Any money that has not been used can be used for any of the other priorities in my economic recovery action plan.

Stewart Dickson: Many of my constituents — and, indeed, the Minister's constituents — in East Antrim are using their cards to pay for gas, electricity and oil: essentials for household living today, unfortunately. Can you explain to the House how that spending fits with your scheme's objectives of supporting and stimulating local businesses through the Spend Local prepaid card?

Gordon Lyons: I will first respond to the connected point that Mr Nesbitt made about the Amazon vouchers. I have certainly had no one saying that to me; it has been said in the media. I will encourage spending locally, where I can. I will encourage spending in businesses that have found the lockdown periods most difficult. Ultimately, it is not my job to tell people what to do, however, and I did not have the ability, through the coding system in the cards, to block some of the other issues that he raised. If people feel that they need to spend their cards in certain ways, that is up to them. Of course, anywhere that it is spent is a local business. All local businesses employ people and all local businesses have suppliers.
If the Member is fair, he will realise that I have done everything in my power — I have said it time and again, and I have visited retailers, hospitality, leisure and entertainment facilities right across Northern Ireland — to encourage people to spend that money where it will have the most impact and effect. The Member is shaking his head, but that is what I have done. I have encouraged that, and I think that an awful lot of businesses appreciate that. However, ultimately, it is up to people to decide where they spend their card.

John O'Dowd: Minister, in your statement, you took umbrage with the chief commissioner of the Equality Commission because of her comments about the strong possibility of sexual discrimination against married women. You said that you wish that the commissioner had contacted you. If the commissioner had contacted me, I would have told her that your Department is not carrying out its equality duties in line with best practice as published by the Equality Commission. Your Department carries out equality screening at the end of policy development, instead of carrying it out as part of the policy development. If your Department had done that, you may have identified the issue in relation to married women much earlier. Will you undertake to ensure that you contact the Equality Commission to ensure that your Department is carrying out its equality duties in line with best practice?

Gordon Lyons: I believe that my Department has carried out its responsibilities in accordance with the law and that this scheme does not breach equality guidelines in any way.

Stephen Dunne: I thank the Minister for his welcome statement on the extension. It would be remiss of me not to acknowledge his enthusiasm in delivering the scheme. The retailers in my constituency are delighted with the scheme and have already seen a positive difference. That is certainly the feedback that I have received. In my experience, the vast majority of people have bought into the "spend local" messaging. Is the Minister confident that everyone who is eligible for a card has applied? To resolve any outstanding issues, can the Minister also touch on the issue of the phone-line service?

Gordon Lyons: I thank the Member for his enthusiasm for the scheme and for what he has done to promote it locally. We have done everything in our power to ensure that everybody who is eligible has applied for the card. We ran an extensive media campaign. I have been out and about all over Northern Ireland to try to encourage people to sign up. We had a four-week window in which to do that. There was a telephone option during that time. There was also the ability to apply online and to apply for other people online. I have tried to make it as easy as possible to apply over as long a period as possible. I am confident that everybody who wanted to apply had the opportunity to apply. Our estimates and the estimates of the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency (NISRA) suggest that, of around 1·4 million to 1·5 million eligible people in Northern Ireland, 1·43 million have applied, so I think that we are there.
The Member also asked about the telephone line. I put on record my thanks to the people who are being very patient.
I know that many people are trying to get through to the telephone line. Some are wanting issues to be resolved, and some are wanting their card to be verified. PFS, as the card supplier, is dealing with all queries to do with the card. There has been a period of high demand, especially over this past week, as I said to the Chair of the Economy Committee, because this was the week when most applications have come in. I hope that it reassures people that, if they are having issues or difficulties with the card, we have this extra time. We ask for a little bit more patience through what is a very busy period.

Pat Sheehan: Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire as ucht a ráitis. I thank the Minister for his statement. The Children's Law Centre has advised that denying under-18s access to the high street voucher scheme is in breach of the Department's equality scheme. Will the Minister take that on board now and extend the scheme to 16- and 17-year-olds?

Gordon Lyons: I know the concerns that have been expressed about the scheme being available only to adults in Northern Ireland. I think that I have set out previously the reasons why it has not been possible for us to extend it to children. One of the reasons is the difficulty in verifying those under the age of 18. We have seen how some people have struggled because of the lack of identification that they have, and I think that that would be even more of a challenge for those under the age of 18. There are some GDPR issues, as well, in there. To answer the Member's question: it will not be possible to extend the scheme at this time. That would require an incredible amount of new infrastructure to be put in place, and it would require a completely new way of dealing with it to verify those applications and to get those cards out in time. As an Executive, we made the decision to allow this to be a scheme for adults, and that is how it is progressing.

Jonathan Buckley: I thank the Minister for his answers thus far, and I thank the Department for its roll-out of the scheme. I have no doubt that it will be an economic stimulus to many of the businesses that have been impacted so hard by COVID-19. Will the Minister agree that it was disgraceful for the chief commissioner at the Equality Commission to come on the radio and make ill-informed and outrageous comments about the scheme, serving only to sow seeds of confusion and doubt? Will the Minister further clarify and give assurances to the House that no legitimate applicant has been rejected or will be rejected from this scheme?

Gordon Lyons: I thank the Member for his question. When we are trying to encourage people to provide the right evidence, when we are making it as easy as possible for people to apply and when we have already changed the criteria to ensure that an issue that was coming up has been dealt with, it is very frustrating and very disheartening to have people go on the radio and accuse me and my Department of sex discrimination and perhaps even put doubt in people's minds that they are not going to get their card. It caused an awful lot of panic as well, because some married women thought that they were not going to get their card. It is incumbent on all of us to be really careful about the words that we use. As I hope that Members around the House can testify that, where there have been issues, I have been willing to speak to them directly. I have been willing to answer their queries. It is in my interests that MLAs and the rest of the public are informed about this scheme and have the up-to-date information. Picking up the phone would have been a useful first step.
I hope now that we can get to a place where everyone who is eligible will be able to provide sufficient information, and we will be using as much discretion as we can to ensure that those who are eligible will get their card. I want to send a very clear message to the public that I am not trying to stop anybody from getting their card. I want to do everything in my power to make sure that everyone who is a legitimate applicant can get verified. I hope that that provides some peace of mind. I am certainly willing to work and to do all that I can in the Department to make sure that that is the case.

Daniel McCrossan: I thank the Minister for making the statement to the House. There is no denying that this is an extremely popular scheme. It is popular with members of the public and popular with businesses. I cannot say that I am overly excited about the fact that my in tray is filled with problems as a result of it. There are a number of problems that I could raise, for instance the fact that people's National Insurance numbers have been used, giving them difficulty in applying.
However, I will focus on the elderly and vulnerable people who turned up after the closing date for applications to say that they did not have the means to apply online and did not get on the phone line. What do we say to those people? Exactly how many have not applied?

Gordon Lyons: Unfortunately, I cannot answer that question. I do not know how many people did not apply. We think that the vast majority of adults in Northern Ireland who were eligible have applied. We have done everything in our power to make people aware of the scheme, its opening date, its closing date, the different ways in which they could apply and that other people could apply on their behalf. We worked very closely with the Commissioner for Older People and other representative organisations to ensure that we got that message out as much as possible.
I commiserate with the Member on his inbox issues. I can tell him that it is not just him; it is the case for all MLAs. There have been queries, and people have contacted us. Unfortunately, my constituency staff have been at the receiving end of that and have had some outrageous abuse from people. It has been a very difficult time for them. Some people just need to be a bit more patient. There may be an issue or two, but it is never right to take it out on our staff. I want to put that on record.

John Stewart: I thank the Minister for his statement. I echo what he said. I was out in East Antrim at the weekend, and the card is being well-received by traders and those who have received it and been able to use it. However, I echo the calls to extend the helpline. Perhaps I went a bit overboard last week when I said that it was useless, but I feel that it is no better than a glorified automated service. It cannot give updates on actual applications. People have turned up in shops and not been able to use the card because it has been turned down, and, when people are told that the seven-day deadline has passed for verification, they start to get worried, so they come to us for answers. As we are now seeing smaller numbers and more difficult cases, can I ask that a dedicated helpline is set up so that people who are really struggling can get advice on the phone?

Gordon Lyons: I understand the concerns around that. Other Members have expressed such concerns. A lot of people have tried to get in contact by email in particular, and we have not been able to give instantaneous responses to those queries. It has taken a bit of time. We have cleared 25,000 emails in the past few days, and we are still getting through those. That has been a difficulty.
The issue around the helpline has also caused concern, and I believe that that has now peaked. We are starting to see a lot of those calls being dealt with, but I understand the issue that the Member raised regarding the phone line because it cannot deal with the live status of an application. It can just advise about the next steps or what people need to do.
I want to provide clarity about the seven-day deadline. We are encouraging people to get back to us as soon as possible, but that will not be an absolute cliff edge, so maybe people can be reassured that, if it goes beyond the seven days, we will not automatically shut that application off. We are just trying to progress it as quickly as possible.

Linda Dillon: I thank the Minister for his statement. As an MLA for Mid Ulster, which has an outstanding independent retail sector, I am glad for anything that encourages people to spend local. I always spend local, and, after this scheme ends, I encourage people to continue to do that. However, there have been challenges and difficulties. The communication strategy here is the issue. You just talked about the seven days not being a cliff edge, but, if people do not know that, it is a cliff edge to them. It is important that the communication strategy be improved. It is not just about encouraging people to spend local. People need information on how to do that and how to access their card.
I have one more question, which is about out-of-date passports. A number of constituents have contacted me and said that their passport was not acceptable because it was out of date. This is the time when people are not renewing their passports because they cannot travel and also because they cannot afford to renew their passports. Will you confirm that out-of-date passports will be accepted, as they are by the Electoral Office?

Gordon Lyons: I am aware of all that Mid Ulster has to offer because Keith Buchanan invited me there, and I feel as if I was in every single shop in Mid Ulster with him. We were in Maghera, Cookstown, Magherafelt and all over the place, so I agree with the Member about what is on offer.
With regard to the communication strategy, we have certainly been putting that information out through the media. We have frequently asked questions on our website. We have been trying to pump that information out. If there is anything that I can do to make that easier, I will certainly do it. Hopefully, today's statement will have provided additional information to Members.
The issue of passports is one that I had identified last week. I instructed my officials to change that so that out-of-date passports are allowed. It goes back to what I said earlier about maximum flexibility. I want to ensure that we do everything that we can to ensure that, if somebody is who they say they are, we can accept them. In my view, a passport's being out of date is not a reason for us not to verify someone. I can confirm that I have now instructed officials to change that.

Robin Newton: I thank the Minister for his statement to the House. I also want to thank him and his staff for an extremely innovative scheme. There is no doubt that there have been many challenges with it. However, it is delivering on the ground. The Minister came to my constituency, and we walked around with retailers. I have visited those retailers again, and others. All confirm that they are, indeed, benefiting from the scheme.
The scheme has made a contribution. We need to maximise its potential and ensure that we — to use the Minister's words — spend every last penny. How can we encourage people to avoid having a balance on their card at the end of its life?

Gordon Lyons: Absolutely. I thank the Member for his kind words about the scheme. I cannot take credit for its genesis. I place on record my thanks to Diane Dodds for the work that she did in the early stages of the scheme and for securing Executive approval for it.
Spending every last penny is really important. We are giving people the opportunity to help local businesses here. If people have a pound or a couple of pounds left on their card, they may wonder what they can do with it. Plenty of places will be more than willing to take it. One can see that, if 1·4 million people were to leave that amount unspent on their cards, it would be a missed economic opportunity for businesses right across Northern Ireland. I certainly want to get that message across today: go out and ensure that all that is on those cards is spent.

Kellie Armstrong: I start by thanking the Minister. I know that he might not get that too often. I contacted him by email, he phoned me back, and my constituents' issues have been resolved. I thank him very much for that. I also wrote to him to ask for an extension, and he has done that, so there are two things.
However, as a married woman, what I will say is that we need to learn from this. I am not sniping from the sidelines, but gender needs to be considered. I have had this problem quite often in life because the name on my birth certificate is not my married name, and people do not realise that. I ask that we learn from this and carry through some gender consideration when developing proposals.
I will follow on from what Mr Newton said, we hope that every single person will spend absolutely every penny that is on those cards. However, if they do not, will there be a wash-up period before the end of the financial year to spend those last few pounds in Northern Ireland?

Gordon Lyons: I thank the Member for her thanks. I re-emphasise the point that my door is always open. If MLAs have queries, I want to be able to address them. I understand that some Members took up my offer of a briefing on that. They will be aware of the dedicated MLA email address for specific queries and concerns. I can resend that to Members, if that would be useful, so that those concerns can be addressed.
I also take into account what she said. The issue of maiden names was identified. We responded to that quickly and ensured that it was not an issue any more.
The end date of the cards has now been extended for a couple more weeks. That gives extra time for that wash-up and to ensure that people can get rid of any balance. That said, my experience of talking to people who have their cards and representatives of businesses where the cards are being spent is that people do not need encouragement to spend it. Many of them have £100 on their card one minute and nothing on it the next, which is what we like to see.
Moneys remaining at that stage will go back into my economic recovery action plan. There are many initiatives that they can go towards, some of which are reruns of previous initiatives. I encourage people to spend before the deadline.

Ciara Ferguson: I thank the Minister for the update. We welcome the extension. Other MLAs have mentioned reports that the high street voucher is being used to purchase Amazon and other cards for online spending, which obviously goes against the principle of the card and the boost that it should give to the high street and local economy. Has the Department any way of recording how many online cards have been purchased using the high street voucher scheme?

Gordon Lyons: I have heard it talked about in the media, but I have not heard about it actually happening. One way in which people are dissuaded from doing it is through the incentivisation schemes that have been offered by many businesses; you get that little bit of extra money. Additionally, people genuinely want to help local businesses, and they see the policy intent of that. We will have some data to show us where the cards have been spent. I will need to clarify the level to which we can get that down. We will certainly have information on the types of shops, stores or businesses where the cards were spent, but I will need to find out whether we can track it down to the level of how cards are spent.

Sinead McLaughlin: Thank you, Minister, for your statement. I record my appreciation of your team, because it has dealt very efficiently with some of the problems that have come through my constituency office.
The scheme is welcomed by retailers and citizens alike. I, too, encourage people: please spend local. The scheme is live, and I want people to spend local, particularly with businesses that were closed during the pandemic. That was the original purpose of the scheme. Maximising the value of it depends on the behaviours of people who are spending.
My question is about strategy rather than the scheme as it stands. The scheme has been beset with problems from day one, and it has broken every one of its rules. On 25 August, we got a briefing in the Economy Committee from your officials about the timing of the scheme. They told us that businesses were concerned that the scheme might displace some of the Christmas spend. Your officials indicated that they did not anticipate that happening, because a large percentage of the spend —

Alex Maskey: Could the Member get to the question, please?

Sinead McLaughlin: A large percentage — sorry; I am coming to it.

Alex Maskey: Could the Member get to the question, please?

Sinead McLaughlin: You gave a lot of leeway to other people, Mr Speaker.
They anticipate a large percentage of the spend—

Alex Maskey: Ms McLaughlin. Ms McLaughlin.

Sinead McLaughlin: — in the Christmas period in November —

Alex Maskey: Ms McLaughlin, will you resume your seat, please?

Sinead McLaughlin: OK. Well, you get my drift.

Alex Maskey: Resume your seat, please. You will not be called again this afternoon.

Roy Beggs: I thank the Minister for his statement. There have been delays with the scheme, and there has been considerable frustration for some in trying to overcome the administrative hurdles to applying. I think of my constituents who received an email saying that they had seven days to provide information. They provided information, and they received another email saying that they had three days to provide information, with links that did not work and no telephone number or email address. Thankfully, we were able to point them the right way.
I thank the civil servants who helped some of those people, but my question to the Minister is: will you assure me that no one will be disadvantaged because of any administrative failings and that not meeting the time periods that were given will not be held against constituents, as that was not because of the constituents' difficulty but because they were not provided with links that worked?

Gordon Lyons: I want to do everything in my power to ensure that those who applied on time and are able to provide the evidence will get their card. I understand some of the frustrations that have been experienced, some of which the Member mentioned. The approach that I have taken at every stage when we have faced challenges like this has been to make it as easy as possible. Again, I go back to the policy intent of the scheme. I do not want to stop anybody getting their card if they are entitled to it. If the Member has concerns about individuals and he does not have success with them, I encourage him to contact the Department.
That being said, although there have been a number of people who have expressed concerns, we have to look at the facts. We have had over 1·4 million applications, and well over 1·3 million of those have now been verified. The vast majority were verified using automated checks, and manual checks have now taken place. We are going to get an exceptionally high verification rate, and, overall, this has been an exceptionally good scheme that is doing what it intended to do.

Patsy McGlone: Minister, in light of the circumstances, it is a very prudent move to extend the scheme. I have a query here — sorry, I have 17 queries currently with your office, but another query has come in today, and I would appreciate your advice on it. It is about two elderly ladies with learning disabilities, and they work via an appointee. The appointee made the application for them, but they have been asked for additional information. Due to their circumstances, neither of them have documentation with their names on it. They do not have driving licences or passports. I seek your advice because they will not be on their own in circumstances like this: they have been asked for something that they cannot provide, because those documents are in the name of the appointee.

Gordon Lyons: I appreciate the Member's question. As I have said, I want to make it as easy as possible for people to be verified. If possible, we will be able to use supporting evidence from other partners, perhaps in the healthcare sector. If they are prepared to send something in to verify that they are over the age of 18 and resident in Northern Ireland, I will work with the Member to ensure that they get their cards. If they are eligible — and they clearly are — I want to make sure that they get the cards. I want the scheme to be open to everyone.

Rachel Woods: I thank the Minister for making this statement to the House, and I appreciate how much correspondence will be coming in both on the helpline and by email. Many constituents are at their wits' end because they cannot get through, get put on an automated line or have not had a reply to their email. Can the Minister tell me if there is a specific contact number for MLAs so that we can try to rectify issues on behalf of constituents? It is the more complex and urgent queries that are coming into our offices, and we have had some difficulty getting information on the MLA email.

Gordon Lyons: Hopefully, today, we have reassured people in some way that we want to do everything in our power to make this as easy as possible. Again, I know I am repeating myself, but I want to be very clear that we want people to have these cards. I understand that there have been some difficulties, and I am sorry to hear about the MLA email address. Certainly, if the Member is not getting information back on individual cases, I am happy to chase those up.
Unfortunately, we have been impacted somewhat by people who have emailed to ask, "When is my card coming? I still have not got my card". We are triaging those emails to make sure that we get those who are most in need. However, the first thing the Member can do is reassure her constituents that the emails will be dealt with. It may take a little bit more time. As I said before, this is a week when we have lots of cards going out and lots of people trying to activate them etc. I am more than happy to work with the Member on individual cases, if that is necessary.

Alex Maskey: Members, that concludes questions on the statement. Please take your ease for a moment or two.
Motion made:

That the Assembly do now adjourn. — [Mr Speaker.]

Adjournment

Water Quality and Safety at North Down Coastal Bathing Areas

Alex Maskey: In conjunction with the Business Committee, I have given leave to Mr Andrew Muir to raise this matter. Before I invite Mr Muir to introduce his topic, I advise Members that I have received apologies from the Minister of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs. Although this topic comes under his remit, he is unable to participate in the debate due to ministerial business in Glasgow. He has asked his ministerial colleague Gordon Lyons, Minister for the Economy, to respond on his behalf. I welcome Minister Lyons and thank him for agreeing to provide a response. Mr Muir has up to 15 minutes.

Andrew Muir: I thank the Minister for coming to respond to the Adjournment debate. I am grateful for the opportunity to highlight an incredibly important issue, which has become one of increasing concern for many people who live in or visit my constituency of North Down, namely the need for increased water-quality testing and safety measures across North Down's ever popular coastal bathing areas.
We are extremely lucky to have a number of beautiful coastal bathing areas on our doorstep, right across North Down. These spots are used by sea swimmers, paddleboarders, kayakers and other open-water sports enthusiasts. Open-water swimming has become increasingly popular in recent years and especially since the beginning of COVID-19 lockdowns. While running, as I often do, it is great to see many people taking a dip, including my good friend Colin. Colin finds great solace in taking an open-water plunge. He is encouraging me to jump into the water too; maybe one day, I promise. Seeing his head bob up and down near Brompton one morning made me say to myself, "Fair play", and then on I dashed, my feet staying firmly on the ground.
A number of organised groups meet regularly to swim together, including the Donaghadee Chunky Dunkers, Helen's Baywatch and the Brompton Belles and Beaux Dippers. Members of those groups, and others from the area, have helped to highlight some of the issues that we will cover this evening, demonstrating the importance of water quality, safety and the local environment to North Down's bathing water users.
Sea swimming has become an invaluable outlet throughout the pandemic. Many regular swimmers highlight the positive impact that it has had on their physical and mental health. As the pastime becomes ever more popular, it is vital that we ensure that swimmers bathe in areas that are clean, safe and pleasant for those who are brave enough to enter.
Currently, water-quality testing takes place, between 1 June and 15 September each year, at 26 designated bathing water sites across Northern Ireland. However, it only takes a quick glance at Helen's Bay beach, Brompton or any of the other key swimming spots in North Down to see that this is not just a seasonal sport. In fact, the presence of jellyfish throughout many of the summer months mean that many swimmers choose to avoid the water at that time. It is also important to note that many of North Down's most popular bathing areas are not listed as bathing waters where water quality is tested during the summer months.
Brompton Road and Skippingstone beach in Bangor are not designated bathing areas, but they are popular all year round, as is the area around Orlock and Groomsport. Brompton and Skippingstone even have ladders and railings that make them the perfect spots for getting in and out of the water.
While I very much welcome the progress that was made with the pilot EU SWIM project at Ballyholme for providing water-quality sampling throughout the bathing season and making that information easily available through an app, such projects need to be implemented and expanded to cover all coastal bathing areas and to ensure that sampling takes place throughout the year. One of the main concerns of local bathers is the lack of communication on water quality. The EU SWIM app demonstrated how easily that can be remedied.
Last year, a significant amount of pollution made its way from a field into the river and then into the sea at Crawfordsburn Country Park. A number of local residents got in touch with my office to highlight the lack of notice of that contamination on the beach. In response to a question, I was told that it was down to the relevant authorities and councils to alert the public to such matters by the erection of signage. In this day and age, we should have more in place to alert the public to pollution in our bathing areas.
Just around the coast from Crawfordsburn beach lies Helen's Bay — another incredibly popular spot for water sports enthusiasts. Also located on that coast is a waste water pumping station. Current guidance states that bathers should avoid the water for 48 hours after heavy rainfall in the area due to large spills potentially being released into the sea.
As we all know, heavy rainfall is not uncommon in Northern Ireland, yet many sea swimmers try to visit our coastal bathing areas daily. Simply telling people not to enter the sea for 48 hours after heavy rainfall is not good enough. The public should be able to access information about the activity of the waste water pumping stations so that they may make informed decisions about when to enter the water. There is a critical need for regular and wide-ranging water-quality testing across North Down and beyond. A person told me recently that:
"We can all tell when we are swimming in sewage, but usually not until we are in the water and we can see or smell the film on the water. It is much more difficult in darkness. Then we need to rush home and wash it off. It is really not pleasant at all.

A couple of swimmers told me recently that they had been ill for seven days after unpleasant experiences such as that in this water."
That was a person reporting issues around Helen's Bay and the waste water pumping station.
Hundreds of people swim in coastal areas daily, and it is vital that any possible risk to their health by swimming in polluted waters is identified before they take the plunge. Through the EU SWIM project, we saw how easily that can be done. Due to the passion of regular swimmers, it is clear that local swimming groups are prepared to volunteer to do the water-quality sampling.
There is also an urgent need for increased investment to promote safety and sea awareness across North Down. At a council level, there has been progress in that, with the Ards and North Down Borough Council, in conjunction with Sport NI, delivering open-water safety awareness webinars. Such information sessions are a great way to ensure that those who regularly use the water are informed and aware of how to stay safe. However, there is a need for visual information at bathing sites that can be easily accessed by all. Increased investment in bathing water infrastructure, such as bathing shelters and sea wall railings, ladders and slipways, will ensure not only that the users of the coastal areas are safe but that the spaces are inclusive and can be accessed by everyone. We have also heard calls from local swimming groups for the installation of defibrillators.
The lack of regulation around recreational and personal watercraft such as jet skis and small motorised boats also poses a huge risk to the swimming and coastal bathing areas. Throughout the summer, I was contacted on a regular basis by constituents who had witnessed near-collisions and accidents between people on motorised watercraft and people swimming in the sea. I fear that it is only a matter of time before a serious incident occurs due to the lack of regulation on the issue.
Earlier this year, I was pleased to hear from the Minister of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs that his Department is developing options for by-laws to regulate the use of jet skis in marine protected areas. Mr Poots also said that jet ski and sea swimmers' safety would be raised at the Better Beaches Forum, which was due to take place last month. I look forward to hearing about the progress that was made on that incredibly important matter.
The Department for Transport in London has also been consulted, and it proposed changes to legislation to make operators of personal and other recreational watercraft subject to similar safety obligations for the operators of ships and to give enforcement authorities additional prosecution powers in cases of deliberate and negligent misuse. In response to the consultation, I welcomed the proposed changes and highlighted many issues that we face across North Down with regard to the lack of regulation surrounding watercraft.
I am proud to live in and represent an area of outstanding natural beauty that people are making the most of. Let us take the opportunity to support our local community by ensuring that there is regular water sampling at all our popular bathing areas, good communication of that information, visible safety messaging and the ability to take enforcement action against those endangering the safety of others to ensure that everyone has an enjoyable but, most importantly, safe visit to our coastal areas.

Alex Maskey: I call Stephen Dunne. All Members who wish to speak will have six minutes each.

Stephen Dunne: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank the Member for securing the debate on this important issue and the Minister for coming this evening. Sea swimming has become an incredibly popular activity for people of all ages, and North Down has some of the best and most beautiful areas of Northern Ireland for open-sea swimming. Areas like Helen's Bay, Ballyholme, Brompton Bay, Crawfordsburn, Orlock, Groomsport, Donaghadee and Seapark are among some of the most popular and spectacular areas in which to enjoy such activities. Those areas are all accessible from our spectacular north Down coastal path, which is such a wonderful attraction right on our doorstep. It is great to see the levels of interest in open-sea swimming, and it has many benefits, particularly for people's physical and mental health and well-being, which is crucial now more than ever. The pandemic and subsequent lockdowns undoubtedly led to an increase in people engaging in cold-sea swimming. There were periods of gym closures, some parks were closed and people were spending long periods of time at home. That all led to a great increase in interest in exercising in our seas and waters.
I welcome the '2021 Bathing Water Compliance' report that was announced by the AERA Minister two weeks ago. It confirmed that almost three quarters of our bathing waters met excellent standards and continue to improve. While that is welcome news, as with many issues, there is always room for improvement. Helen's Bay, Crawfordsburn, Groomsport and Millisle, which are all in our constituency, achieved the excellent standard, and that was a step in the right direction and an improvement on past years. I also welcome the recent commitment by the AERA Minister that his Department will continue to work with NI Water to improve the water environment through targeted investment in improved sewage treatment and with the agriculture sector to administer a number of agri-environment incentive schemes.
There is room for more regular and increased water-quality testing, particularly at those key hotspot areas. Areas that are very popular with swimmers are not being tested, as they are currently not classified as beaches. Those can be harbours, slipways or other unclassified areas of natural beauty. While the bathing season normally runs from 1 June to mid-September, many keen and, some would say, brave swimmers are out daily all year round. Across the entire coastline of the Ards and North Down Borough Council area, the Department monitors the water quality at only six locations. Although I understand that that is the most monitoring in a council area, there is the capacity to do better.
There are also capacity issues affecting our water and waste water network, which, I appreciate, is not under the remit of the Minister in attendance or DAERA but which lies with the Infrastructure Minister. There are certainly issues that need to be addressed that affect parts of our constituency. We have seen a number of overflow issues, with raw sewage impacted by blockages, which is a concern and for which we need medium- to long-term and, indeed, short-term solutions.
I also welcome recent initiatives from Ards and North Down Borough Council, with marine safety training schemes being rolled out for sea users, including cold-sea swimmers. That initiative, along with others, looks at recreational areas for shared usage in order to create better separation for swimming and motorised use of the sea. It is important that such measures are carried out in consultation with user groups. There is great potential to develop it, and it is important that we support those who enjoy cold-sea swimming, which is becoming a popular pastime. Indeed, there are risks with it, and, unfortunately, we have seen a number of local tragedies over the past number of years. That is a reminder of the danger of water and the need to provide better protection. All in all, I welcome this debate. I call on the Minister to continue to work towards improving water quality and safety right across our country and, indeed, in our North Down coastal bathing areas.

Alan Chambers: North Down has a history of coastal seawater pollution, mainly brought about by the population boom in the early 1970s when so many families moved there from Belfast. The area had an outdated sewerage system that released all the sewage produced in North Down through an outlet at Orlock. It was totally untreated and flowed through a grill that was meant to capture solid material. Some poor Northern Ireland Water employees had to scrape clean those grills twice a week and take that material away to be incinerated. Those who use the waters around Groomsport and Ballyholme will remember those bad old days. It was so bad that fishermen had to disinfect their ropes at the end of a day's fishing, and local youth groups, for example, had to cease all inshore water activities because of the unsightly and unacceptable flotsam that polluted the waters, particularly around Ballyholme.
Northern Ireland Water's investment in a new waste water treatment works outside Donaghadee was a game changer. It decided that it would give the sewage secondary, or what I would describe as silver-plated, treatment. It was going to extend the outlet at Orlock to pump the treated waste further out to sea. However, it found that, logistically, it could not extend the pipe. I do not know what the building problems were. It therefore decided that it would upgrade the treatment being provided at the new works to what is called "tertiary treatment", which means that the water leaving the waste water treatment works is of drinking quality. I have not put that to the test, but I will take their word for it. That is gold-plated activity.
Ballyholme continued to be a problem, however. At times of heavy rain, the system could not cope with the sheer volume of sewage coming down from Bangor to a pumping station to be pumped up to the new treatment works. There had to be release valves, and if those were not opened in time, there would have been an explosion in the pumping stations along that line. To avoid that, the valves were opened, and whatever rainwater and sewage were in the system went straight out into Ballyholme Bay. That was unacceptable and spoiled the whole project. Northern Ireland Water therefore made a huge investment and introduced three, I think, large sewage retention tanks along the line so that, in heavy rain, the water could be retained; it did not have to be released into the sea. When the rain eased off, it was pumped up, in a controlled way, to the treatment works.
I know that, in the past year, the coastal waters around Helen's Bay, Crawfordsburn and Groomsport have all got A1 pollution results and low bacteria results, so why is Ballyholme still a problem? It is not solid matter in the water; it is bacteria. You cannot see it. The water is clear and looks clean, but, if you took a mouthful of it, you would probably be sick. It is a bacteria problem. Where does the bacteria come from? The Cotton river, which some call the Ballyholme river, flows into Ballyholme Bay. Back in 2016, I asked the Minister of Agriculture whether any domestic waste water or street rainwater was piped directly into the Cotton river from that pumping station. I got a very honest answer: there is only one asset along the Cotton river, and it has an emergency overflow that is piped directly into the river. That problem has never been addressed. There has been a lot of talk about it, but it has never been addressed. From time to time, sewage comes down the Cotton river and flows straight into the sea at Ballyholme.
There is also a pumping station at Sandringham Gardens, which services all of the sewage from Ballyholme. The properties there are all very mature and have a single storm drain and sewerage system. That system overflows from time to time, which, as it is only a couple of hundred yards away from the sea, means that practically raw, untreated sewage is going straight into the sea thereby increasing the bacteria levels.
What is the answer? The last piece of the sewerage jigsaw in North Down is the Cotton pumping station, and that has to be addressed. It needs to have a storage capacity whereby in heavy rain it can retain the sewage rather than releasing it in an emergency situation into the river. That is the answer, it is the last piece of the jigsaw and it will fall to the Minister for Infrastructure through Northern Ireland Water to implement it. I hope that in the near future they can address that.
It would be remiss of me if I did not mention that Donaghadee is still experiencing problems. I have spoken about that in the House before, so I will not rehearse those arguments. However, Donaghadee has problems due to the fact that there are 20 outlets south of Donaghadee that have a licence to release untreated sewage into the coastal waters in emergency situations. That has been resolved by a huge investment that was announced in the last number of months. In the coming years, that problem will be addressed.

Alex Maskey: I take it that you were not on the tourist board for there a number of years ago.
[Laughter.]

Rachel Woods: I thank the Member for securing this topic for the Adjournment debate today. Much of what I will say has been covered by other Members, which shows that this is an issue that we have all dealt with as constituency MLAs.
As we know, there are hundreds of people swimming off the beautiful North Down coast every day or taking part in the wide variety of water sports that are on offer. Although not a regular, I have been known to jump off the pier at Kinnegar on Boxing Day to get rid of the cobwebs, swim off our beaches or have a paddleboard around the lough, which usually involves a bit more time in the water than on the board. Like Mr Chambers, I remember being told to not go into the sea and the lough, not because of the jellyfish but because of the pollution and the water quality in certain areas. My memories are from the being in the water around the Holywood and Kinnegar areas, where I frequently saw items from the sewerage pipe floating past me, which was not the most pleasant of experiences. Despite successful attempts to stop sewage going into the lough, which were and are welcome, it seems that the water quality in certain bathing areas needs serious attention, hence the topic for today's Adjournment debate.
I want to share my experience in the last couple of years. I have been dealing with a rising number of pollution incidents along the North Down coast that have been reported by constituents, so there is much more that needs to be done by people, communities, council and the Departments to ensure that our waters meet the best standards for people and the environment alike. We need to look beyond the lough and the coastal area to improve our water quality.
Mr Muir already covered this, but last year there was a slurry spill at Crawfordsburn river, for example, which is a protected area. In April this year, there was a diesel spill in Millisle, which a number of Members were dealing with. The efforts and concern of the volunteers who helped to clean up the areas are testament to how much local people care about our natural environment and want to protect it. Diesel spills, as we know, are extremely dangerous for marine and bird life and impact on fish and shellfish long after the diesel has left the area and been washed away. The Millisle incident showed the need for improved signage and communication with groups and people that use the area.
In August just past, visible pollution was reported in the river at Seapark in Holywood. It was found that the blockage was caused in the sewerage system due to a build-up of grease from commercial premises. I appeal to everyone to not pour grease or other materials down the drains as these so-called fatbergs are very costly to remove and can cause serious disruption and damage to our water infrastructure, which, as we know, is already under pressure.
We know that, despite the investment, Ballyholme's water quality was low this summer and that there was a spike in bacteria recorded in the water that was tested. As Mr Chambers outlined, Ballyholme's water quality has improved in recent years, but it failed to meet the minimum standards in 2016 and 2017 and has consistently just been graded as sufficient ever since.
I will not repeat all of the issues that Mr Chambers raised or what needs to be done. We know what needs to be done to address the issues at Ballyholme, so I encourage the Minister to work with the Minister for Infrastructure to do so.
We need to know whether our communication processes need to be improved for the area, if something inappropriate were coming from the countryside or the hills after heavy rain, for example. We need to ensure that our water-quality standards are met and that our natural environment is given our best care. I remember, many years ago on council, discussing the idea of putting nets around drainage pipes to collect larger waste items, and that being turned down. Why? I, of course, argue that those items should not be in our pipes or sewerage systems or be thrown away improperly, but litter ends up in our sea and on our shores.
It is a big problem, as anyone who takes part in the many litter-picking groups that are active across North Down will tell you. We know from the recently published marine litter report that an average of 375 items of litter are observed per 100 metres of beach, with 67% of the items recorded being made of plastic. There is, again, a body of work to be done with the Minister for Infrastructure. I encourage the Minister to do so in order to address water quality and mitigation measures and solutions for the long term, perhaps through the blue-green infrastructure funding. That could also be looked at to provide water safety and rescue items along the coastal path.
As has been noted, the bathing season normally runs from 1 June to 15 September. I suggest to the Minister that that be revisited. Bathing season is now every day, every month of the year. I would certainly welcome testing and monitoring over the winter period, as well as the expansion of testing to areas that, despite not being designated, are used by people. A bathing water report from 2016 states that the general advice is not to bathe during or for up to two days after a heavy rainfall event. Is there any public awareness of that? Is advice going out? Also, what is a heavy rainfall event? It was lashing over the weekend; does that mean that we should not swim on Sunday or Monday? It is certainly not something that I have any direct information about.
There is much more that we can all do to ensure that we make further improvements to our water quality in and around North Down, but also across Northern Ireland. We can learn from places such as Switzerland and New Zealand. If we need regulatory reform to improve standards, let us do it. Our coastlines and beaches are there to be enjoyed, to provide us with much-needed access to the outside, and to be looked after and maintained to ensure that the environment is as healthy as it can be.

Alex Easton: I thank the Member for securing this Adjournment topic; well done. I also thank the Economy Minister for attending.
I am pleased that, this year, water quality in North Down never fell below satisfactory. That is maybe not good enough, but, as Members have said, it is still an improvement. In most places, for the vast majority of the bathing season, water quality was rated as excellent by the Department. That is an improvement on last year, when, for example, Ballyholme in my constituency achieved only an overall rating of sufficient. I note that the water quality in Ballyholme has improved significantly over the past five years. In 2016 and 2017, it was rated as poor and failed to reach compliance with the 2006 water bathing directive. However, it remains vulnerable to pollution from agricultural run-off and overflows from the waste water treatment network.
I am aware of five recent pollution incidents: one in Holywood, one in Crawfordsburn, two in the river that flows through Ward Park and then out into the sea, and, as my colleague mentioned, quite a serious incident in Millisle. An incident in Helen's Bay was reported in the 'County Down Spectator' newspaper only last week. I know that that is something that the Department has been investigating, and I am pleased that there is ongoing work to the sewerage systems in Bangor that may contribute to improving the quality of water at Ballyholme beach in particular.
However, there are other forms of pollution affecting not just Ballyholme but all areas of the North Down coastline that are far easier to take control of. For instance, dog fouling, littering and fly-tipping in North Down are issues that are raised constantly with me. They are often, but not always, related to our coastal areas as they are more general problems. Dogs run free on the beaches, and owners do not always pick up after them. Litter is, unfortunately, all too common. Fly-tipping near rivers and our beaches is not an uncommon sight.
I appreciate that signs have been put up by the council warning people of the fines that they may receive for such actions, but I question how often they are imposed. Visible neighbourhood policing is a wider problem, but the lack of policing and oversight at our coastal areas means that there are no deterrents for such actions. It is all well and good to have signs, but no one will adhere to them if there is seen to be a lack of enforcement.
An aspect of the issue that requires more promotion is how the public can go about reporting incidents of pollution at the coast. That is not common knowledge, and reporting is not something that people instinctively think to do. Of course, it would be of great help. The investigations triggered by such reports can close bathing areas in the interest of public safety until the quality of water that has been found to be unsafe improves.
Water quality is not simply about the quality of the water itself but about the greater environmental repercussions of changes to our marine ecosystems. I would, therefore, like to discuss the impact of water quality on marine life and its implications for people. Pollution is clearly an issue for marine life. Only a few weeks ago, we saw distressing images of a seal in Belfast lough with a tin can stuck in its lower jaw. The seal was in danger of serious injury or death. It was a horrible incident that none of us here would like to see repeated. Better enforcement or harsher penalties for littering incidents along our shores could go some way to preventing scenes like that. I was glad to see that that seal was picked up in Scotland and had the tin can removed. That vigilance in Scotland is something to be thankful for.
Commercial fishing is a huge problem on Belfast lough and negatively impacts on our marine ecosystem. I have called for a marine protected area in the north Down area, and I reiterate that call. For instance, the thornback ray was once abundant in Belfast lough. From discussions with local anglers, it is clear that the population has been decimated; in fact, it is probably extinct in Belfast lough now. A thorough survey of marine life in Belfast lough is needed. That would give us a better idea of wildlife population numbers as well as information regarding pollution and water quality. It would also potentially enable us to reintroduce in large numbers animals and fish such as the thornback ray, which it would be possible to breed at the Exploris Aquarium in Portaferry.
It is our duty to ensure the sustainability of Belfast lough and maintain the overall water quality for our marine life, for those who use the lough, such as anglers, and for the members of the public who enjoy it. There is no reason why Belfast lough cannot be a hub for wildlife. It is our job to attempt to correct the damage that has been done so that we leave the generations following us a safe and thriving coastline to enjoy. I am passionate about the issue, and I hope to continue to push the Department on it.
I am pleased that water quality in north Down appears to be improving, but there is still some way to go. It can be done in small ways such as through better sewerage infrastructure and better enforcement of existing laws on issues like littering. However, we also need to be ambitious and think of conducting a survey of Belfast lough or introducing marine protected areas. Such things are not unrealistic, and we must strive for them.

Sinéad Ennis: While I am not a North Down constituency MLA, South Down shares a coastline with North Down, so I have a vested interest in the topic. I thank Andrew Muir for bringing this important issue for debate. I also thank the Minister for the Economy for sticking around to hear us out.
Like other Members, I genuinely feel so lucky to live, work and represent communities along the County Down coast, an area famed throughout Ireland and the world for its beauty and unique marine heritage. Murlough Bay, Dundrum Bay and Carlingford lough are home to some of the most beautiful bathing spots. Our County Down coastal waters are also home to some of the most important marine habitats and species. We have sea pens, basking sharks, seals, shellfish, eelgrass, many species of birds and other fish, commercial fishing industries, shipping, bathing waters, special areas of conservation, special protection areas and coastal areas of special scientific interest (ASSIs) all existing side by side.
I am delighted that three of the North's most recent blue flag beach awards went to beaches in my constituency: Cranfield, Murlough and Tyrella. That means that those beaches scored highly on environmental education and information, water quality, environmental management, and safety and services. On water quality, the criteria state:
"No industrial, waste-water or sewage-related discharges should affect the beach".
I argue that none of our beaches should be affected by industrial waste or sewage-related discharges. The reason why we have clean, safe beaches at all is EU directives on pollution, bathing waters and urban waste water. If it was left to the British Government, they would, no doubt, still be dumping faecal waste, sewage and other chemicals in the water, and, from what we have witnessed in the last few weeks, when we saw Brexit Britain dumping tons of raw sewage into its coastline, it seems that old habits die hard.
Improving water quality and maintaining that quality protects public health and the environment, but it also has an economic benefit. We have witnessed a marked increase in tourism along the County Down coast in recent years. That is good, and I want to see that continue in a sustainable way. East Coast Adventure, a company based in Warrenpoint, is opening up Carlingford lough to locals and tourists alike. It educates people and provides an outlet for people to get into our coastal waters and to enjoy our rich marine heritage. We are perfectly positioned to open up the County Down coast and to increase our tourism product, but we need investment in infrastructure and sustainable practices, and we need to ensure the quality of our seas and coastal waters.
The explosion in popularity of open-water swimming over the last few years has brought many swimmers to County Down. I am a fair-weather swimmer at best, but open-water swimming is becoming a year-round activity, and that is why we need to increase the frequency of water quality testing. We want to ensure that County Down's coastal waters are pristine all year round and not just during the designated swimming season, and I concur with colleagues that we should re-examine when the water quality testing season occurs.
Some councils have recognised the popularity as well as the health and economic benefits of investing in our bathing sites. I call on my council — Newry, Mourne and Down District Council — to make more improvements to bathing sites in our district; to invest in amenities and provide information about bathing sites; and to invest in more signage, litter collection, access points, car parks, lifeguards and, importantly, changing facilities. I call on local and central government to do more to protect, promote and enhance County Down coastal waters for the enjoyment of future generations.

Alex Maskey: The Minister has up to 24 minutes, if he chooses to use them.

Gordon Lyons: I probably will not, Mr Speaker, but I welcome the opportunity to speak on water quality and safety in North Down. I thank the Member and congratulate him on securing the Adjournment debate.
North Down is widely known for its outstanding coastline and popular beaches, just like its friends across the lough in East Antrim, and that, of course, is supported by the number of beaches that have received awards this year, including Helen's Bay, Crawfordsburn, Groomsport, Ballywalter, Millisle and Cloughey. Unfortunately, as the Speaker said, Minister Poots cannot be here this evening. He is attending COP26 in Glasgow, but he has indicated that he remains fully committed to the ongoing development of our beaches, and I believe that North Down's record of high standards will continue.
In looking at water quality and safety at North Down sites, I draw your attention to the work that DAERA is doing in a range of areas, working in partnership with the council and others. DAERA has been leading a partnership known as the Better Beaches Forum over the last 10 years, as the proposer of the debate mentioned. Partners are Keep Northern Ireland Beautiful, Northern Ireland Water, councils and other landowners like the National Trust, and they all have a role in managing our bathing waters and beaches. The forum has developed an action plan to focus on three main areas: first, improving water quality; secondly, improving beach cleanliness, facilities management and signage; and, thirdly, keeping the public and media better informed. Those are actions that underpin our coastal economy and tourism offering. This evening, I will take those areas in turn to give you a flavour of that work, with a particular emphasis on the North Down area.
The first area of the Better Beaches action plan is concerned with improving water quality. Minister Poots released the 2021 bathing water compliance results on 22 October and announced that all 26 of Northern Ireland's bathing beaches met minimum standards of water quality. Of the 26 beaches, 19 were classed as excellent, five as good and two as sufficient. In North Down, six of the beaches — at Helen's Bay, Crawfordsburn, Groomsport, Millisle, Ballywalter and Cloughey — were classified as excellent —

A Member: Hear, hear.

Gordon Lyons: — with Ballyholme remaining sufficient. Although the result at Ballyholme is disappointing, we are seeing a year-on-year improvement in water quality there, which reflects the continued improvements that Northern Ireland Water has made around the North Down shoreline, where it has recently invested £30 million. The problems at Ballyholme are not solely due to waste water issues, and agricultural pollution incidents have also been recorded in the Ballyholme catchment. DAERA continues to investigate all pollution incidents that cause bathing water failures, and that has led to the year-on-year improvements that I just mentioned.
The second area of the Better Beaches action plan is concerned with improving beach cleanliness, facilities management and signage. DAERA continues to work with partner organisations such as Keep Northern Ireland Beautiful to promote clean and safe beaches and tackle the scourge of marine litter. In most cases, the councils and the National Trust lead on that area of the action plan as the statutory bathing water operators. However, in North Down, DAERA is the bathing water operator for Crawfordsburn and Helen's Bay, two of the busiest sites in Northern Ireland. Therefore, the Minister fully appreciates the challenges that the councils face.
We are all aware of the particular issues that arose over the COVID period, with unprecedented numbers of people at all our beauty spots. Although it is great to see everyone appreciating our beautiful outdoor spaces, we all know that not all our citizens leave no trace. I am pleased to say that the 'Marine Litter Report 2020' produced by Keep Northern Ireland Beautiful (KNIB) suggested that litter levels reduced during that year. Although levels are still unacceptably high and 2020 was a highly unusual year, it will be interesting to see whether a trend is emerging.
In a new effort to tackle marine litter, in September, DAERA pledged funding through a marine litter capital grants scheme to a number of initiatives in the North Down area. That included funding to the Cloughey and District Community Association to provide water fountains at the beachfront and to encourage the use of reusable bottles. Also funded was an initiative by the Donaghadee Community Development Association that will encourage an additional programme at four local schools. That involves the installation of a litter-picking station that allows children to undertake periodic litter picks and to analyse the litter that is collected. The children will also collect water samples for analysis using water testing kits and digital microscopes and record their findings, which will be compared across the period and against the results recorded by the other schools. Alongside that activity, a series of talks and visits will be arranged involving organisations such as KNIB, W5, Ulster Wildlife, the Peninsula Kelp Company, Queen's University Belfast (QUB) and the Exploris Aquarium in Portaferry. I am confident that initiatives such as those will contribute to the quality of people's visits to the coast of North Down.
On facilities management, I want to turn to safety issues at our beaches. We have seen increased reports around Northern Ireland and, indeed, the whole UK coastline of the problematic use of jet skis in areas that are used by swimmers and that are causing disturbance to marine wildlife. Incidents have also been reported in the North Down area. Although marine safety is a reserved matter, councils have powers to manage harbours and slipways under by-laws to prevent danger, obstruction or annoyance to persons bathing in the sea or using the shore. Some councils are now using permitted slipway systems to identify users and make them aware of any restrictions or complaints.
DAERA has powers to introduce by-laws, but only where there is a risk of disturbance to marine wildlife, and it is considering options to develop more by-laws to regulate the use of jet skis in marine-protected areas that are considered at risk. DAERA is committed to a collaborative approach to tackling that issue, and it has developed links with councils to produce advice and guidance for jet ski users. The management of jet skis was discussed at the Better Beaches Forum on 25 October 2021, and there was an agreement to establish an advisory group that will help to develop complementary measures by councils, which will focus on public safety, and by DAERA, which will focus on protecting marine wildlife from disturbance.
I believe that the first meeting will take place soon.
The third area of the Better Beaches Forum's action plan is:
"Keeping the public and media better informed".
Members may be aware of an EU-funded project to predict bathing water quality at six sites across Northern Ireland: Castlerock, Portrush/Curran, Waterfoot, Newcastle and two sites in North Down at Ballyholme and Ballywalter. The EU Swim project partners, University College Dublin, the Agri-Food Biosciences Institute (AFBI) and Keep Northern Ireland Beautiful, have developed models to predict bathing water quality at all those sites as well as signage and a smartphone app to ensure that bathers are informed about predicted water quality before they choose to swim. I hope that that addresses some of the concerns that have been raised. That is a major step forward, as bathing water quality had been able to be provided only retrospectively.
I will conclude by informing Members about a current consultation and one planned for the near future. The first is the UK marine strategy consultation, through which UK marine and fisheries Ministers are seeking views on the measures being taken across the UK to address marine litter pollution and other issues. The consultation is live and is on the DAERA website. It closes on 29 November, and I encourage everyone with an interest in our coastal environment to take part.
The Minister plans a review of bathing waters during 2022. He is aware of the huge increase in wild-water swimming and plans a public consultation during the winter period to take views on whether new sites need to be considered for identification as places where the public is safe to bathe. The consultation will also address matters such as the length of the bathing season, because the Minister is aware that, as others mentioned, people enjoy swimming all year round, although "enjoying" is, perhaps, not a word that I would use to describe swimming in every month of the year. All councils, including those with possible inland bathing water sites, have been contacted in a preconsultation exercise. I encourage Members to get involved and to watch out for the consultation.
Members' contributions had a consistent theme. I do not intend to mention all the subjects addressed during the debate, but it is important to recognise a few comments that Members made.
The Member who secured the debate, like others, realised the growing importance to many people of sea swimming and recognised not just the physical but the mental health benefits that come from it. His comments on the need for people to be able to engage in open-water swimming and the need for increased testing were echoed by Stephen Dunne. I will certainly pass that on to the Department. Mr Dunne also mentioned the need for all Departments to work together. He mentioned the Department for Infrastructure in particular, and we can all agree that a cross-departmental approach is required.
Mr Chambers gave us, in graphic detail, a history of sewerage infrastructure in North Down. Every day is a school day, and I certainly know a lot more about the subject than I did an hour ago. I am grateful to him for that, but he raises some important issues, and it is only right that we look at the quality of our infrastructure system, because that has a direct impact on how we enjoy our coastline. As Economy Minister, with responsibility for tourism, I want to see that expand. To that end, I was delighted to meet the team from Ards and North Down Borough Council yesterday. The team was at the World Travel Market in London, and members told me about all the sites that I can enjoy in Ards and North Down. The Member's council is doing a very good job. Many of those sites offer water-based activities, and the team encouraged me to come paddleboarding, which I may well take up in the near future. As other Members mentioned — Mr Muir and Mr Dunne — there is so much potential on that water, and we need to make sure that we have it as clean as we possibly can.
I am also grateful to Mr Easton for the points that he raised, particularly around the importance of wildlife. We spoke a lot about the impact on us as humans as we try to enjoy our coastlines, but he was absolutely right to highlight the impact on wildlife. I appreciate his raising that issue, as well as the ever-present issue of dog waste in our communities. For the life of me, I cannot understand why that continues to be an issue and why we cannot see more responsible people, because it impacts on us all.
Ms Woods, in particular, mentioned the impact of pollution. It is absolutely right that there are not only waste water issues but pollution spills, diesel spills, fatbergs and all of the things that she mentioned. That is why we need to make sure that we have responsible consumers, businesses and members of the public.
Sinéad Ennis also spoke. She has left us now, but I congratulate her on turning a debate about North Down into a debate about South Down and on being able to bring Brexit into it. That said, it was an important contribution in that she mentioned the need not just for Departments to work together but for all of us to work collaboratively on this, because it touches on many Departments' responsibilities. Also, the issues that are faced in North Down, South Down, East Antrim and other constituencies are similar, so it is only right that we work on them together.
I thank Members who contributed to the debate. I hope that I have addressed all of the issues that were raised. If I have not, I will contact Members. Please be reassured, however, that the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs will do all that it can to improve water quality and safety at beaches in North Down and across our beautiful coastline. We will continue to do that, and, if necessary, additional steps will be taken.
I close the debate by reminding Members of the live consultation on the UK marine strategy, which includes measures to tackle marine litter. I also encourage Members to take part in the impending consultation to review our bathing waters. I hope that this has been useful for Members, and I again thank Mr Muir for bringing the issue to the attention of the House.

Alex Maskey: I thank the Minister for his attendance this afternoon. I thank all the Members for their contributions.
Adjourned at 6.32 pm.